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Old 10-24-2013, 18:12   #26
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Yeah i kind of have to sit straight up and dont like my seat too far back. I had a focus and cobalt as rentals when i was deployed to DWH and both were horrible for me.
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Old 10-24-2013, 18:27   #27
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Well it ain't a rocket but I just bought an Elantra Coupe SE.
Looks good, leather, heated seats, IPhone hook up and 30MPG.

I traded it for a 2010 Genesis Coupe I had for 3 months. Great car that was fast and fun but the best I could ever do was 23.5MPG.

If I had the dough, I'd go VW Golf TDi. I looked at the Volvo C30 but the mileage was about the same as the Genesis I was trying to get rid of.

BTW, this is our 4th Hyundai product and we've been real happy with them.
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Old 10-24-2013, 18:30   #28
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I like the new Ford Focus. Its got a mean look for a tiny car.

I used to have a 91 CRX with a JDM B16 VTEC swap. It was a little beast.
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Old 10-24-2013, 18:56   #29
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Remember the old Dodge Omni GLH. For a brief moment it was the quickest car in production. The rumor was GLH stood for 'Goes Like Hell'!

The Okie Corral

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I sure hope he got paid alot of money for that.
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Old 10-24-2013, 19:02   #30
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I've tracked my WRX a couple times and almost never got passed. Not because it's the fastest thing out there, there's plenty of faster cars, but because it's one of the most forgiving and easiest cars to drive fast. After the first few laps sliding sideways at 100mph and steering with the throttle while carrying on a conversation about the finer points of driving technique was no big thing. Something I'd really be scared to do in a much "faster" RWD car.

Kind of like the test Superbike did a few years back where they took a n00b rider, an experienced street rider, a recreational tracker, and a pro rider and put them on a 600, a 750, a liter bike, and a full race bike for timed laps. Nearly all of them were faster on the smaller bikes except for the pro. The ability to flog the 600 with impunity won out over the extra power of the 1k monsters for all the riders except the pro.
My STi is a retired BSP car. Compared to a BSP Vette, the Subie is easy to drive to 85 or 90%, but gets difficult and complex after that.

The CRX has a B16 and a good solid suspension build. It's the easiest car to drive fast I've ever been in. Easier than a Mini, and way easier than a Miata. So in terms of O/P’s question, EF and EG Hondas can be a lot of fun to drive, both on the street, track and autoX. They are very inexpensive to build, and can retain a high level of reliability with lots of mod’s.

Compared to something along the lines of an R32, the EF’s are way more raw and nimble. The lower mass is a huge advantage.

How about a 914 with an EJ257 swap? There’s a ghetto blaster for you. But not a hatch.
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Old 10-24-2013, 19:13   #31
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My STi is a retired BSP car. Compared to a BSP Vette, the Subie is easy to drive to 85 or 90%, but gets difficult and complex after that.

The CRX has a B16 and a good solid suspension build. It's the easiest car to drive fast I've ever been in. Easier than a Mini, and way easier than a Miata. So in terms of O/P’s question, EF and EG Hondas can be a lot of fun to drive, both on the street, track and autoX. They are very inexpensive to build, and can retain a high level of reliability with lots of mod’s.

Compared to something along the lines of an R32, the EF’s are way more raw and nimble. The lower mass is a huge advantage.

How about a 914 with an EJ257 swap? There’s a ghetto blaster for you. But not a hatch.
Do you look at a track as a series of corners connected by dragstips or as a series of dragstrips connected by corners?
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Do you look at a track as a series of corners connected by dragstips or as a series of dragstrips connected by corners?
That would entirely depend on the track. Rally drivers, oddly enough, tend to think of it as a series of drag strips connected by corners. I would think, though I haven't personally known any F1 drivers, that they think of it the opposite.
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Old 10-24-2013, 19:52   #33
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I really like my 07 Mazda3 Sedan, 2.3l 5mt. It fears no Si. I traded a 06 Civic EX, 5mt, navi for it.
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That would entirely depend on the track. Rally drivers, oddly enough, tend to think of it as a series of drag strips connected by corners. I would think, though I haven't personally known any F1 drivers, that they think of it the opposite.
If you have a momentum car you treat it much differently than a power car.

In general (speaking for amateur racers here as comparing a rally driver to an F1 to a NASCAR is like comparing a NFL football player to an NBA player to an NHL player and asking which is the better athlete....they are very specialized and the best in the world at their specialty) power cars hide poor driving skills and a driver who can drive a momentum car fast will drive the power car much better than a power driver can drive a momentum car.

These little hot hatches many times must be driven like momentum cars.
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Old 10-24-2013, 20:12   #35
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Does the Scion tC qualify? small, sporty, but no hatch

or how about the eagle talon (do they still make that?) I've seen video of 8 second 1/4 cars and I've autox'ed with a guy who's car was very quick on the track


oh, and GO RED SOX






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Old 10-24-2013, 20:46   #36
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How about we meet there on the 9th? You can show me how well you do...
we're talking cars here, not drivers.

I'm sure if I put a professional driver in my corvette, it'd do much better than these silly grocery getters that have bumble bee engines in them.
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Obviously never heard a good Boxer.

The 800HP Subaru STi - YouTube

Z06 vs 450hp STi - YouTube

I've only got 270 AWHP, but with no lag and massive suspension travel it's a super fun car to drive every day.

The Okie Corral

Oh, that 850 WHP sti is stock?

Apples to oranges.
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Old 10-24-2013, 21:02   #38
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we're talking cars here, not drivers.

I'm sure if I put a professional driver in my corvette, it'd do much better than these silly grocery getters that have bumble bee engines in them.
I would bet that you would have a hard time running the n-ring faster in your vette than many people have running one of these...

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Oh, that 850 WHP sti is stock?

Apples to oranges.
Hey, YOU were the one saying you couldn't understand why anyone would modify these types of cars, remember? So, when someone points out a modified car, now you want to deny that?
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I'm sure if I put a professional driver in my corvette, it'd do much better than these silly grocery getters that have bumble bee engines in them.
So, what kind of harnesses did you put in the vette?
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I have one of these in black
The Okie Corral

It's a Corolla XRS...1.8 litre with variable valve timing and a performance cam that opens up past 6000 rpm or something like that. Revline is 8200. Funny to see a 9,000 rpm tach in a Corolla.

6-speed manual, high revving, stiff sporty suspension, grippy tires, a really fun car to drive around.
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I'm sure if I put a professional driver in my corvette, it'd do much better than these silly grocery getters that have bumble bee engines in them.
How about this...

Lets see if one of these silly little hot hatches, or your vette, take longer to transport 3 people plus driver, each wearing a seatbelt 1/4 mile. Just the end of the dragstrip.

Start buckeled in at the tree. Go the 1/4 mile (OK we will let both of you stop for safety sake). The car that has the last buckeled driver and passenger get first out after the 1/4 mile mark is the winner.

Think you can beat one these bumble bee engines?
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How about this...

Lets see if one of these silly little hot hatches, or your vette, take longer to transport 3 people plus driver, each wearing a seatbelt 1/4 mile. Just the end of the dragstrip.

Start buckeled in at the tree. Go the 1/4 mile (OK we will let both of you stop for safety sake). The car that has the last buckeled driver and passenger get first out after the 1/4 mile mark is the winner.

Think you can beat one these bumble bee engines?
If I want to transport 3 people plus a driver, I'm going to have another car called a daily driver. It's a pretty neat concept I try to tell people about.

Why would you race a car with 3 other people in that car?
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Hey, YOU were the one saying you couldn't understand why anyone would modify these types of cars, remember? So, when someone points out a modified car, now you want to deny that?
Souped up from the factory. There's the standard ford focus, then there's a souped up version from the factory.

Cool concept huh?
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If I want to transport 3 people plus a driver, I'm going to have another car called a daily driver. It's a pretty neat concept I try to tell people about.

Why would you race a car with 3 other people in that car?
It obvious that you miss the point.

Maybe some people actually want to be able to drive on a daily basis something that performs well.
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If I want to transport 3 people plus a driver, I'm going to have another car called a daily driver. It's a pretty neat concept I try to tell people about.

Why would you race a car with 3 other people in that car?
One interesting point if reference, I HAVE been passed on an Autobahn by Focus RS.

I have never that I can recall been passed by a Corvette. I will let you ponder why that is. (and its not price..as I have been passed by much more expensive cars than a vette)
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One interesting point if reference, I HAVE been passed on an Autobahn by Focus RS.

I have never that I can recall been passed by a Corvette. I will let you ponder why that is. (and its not price..as I have been passed by much more expensive cars than a vette)
Cause no one in Germany drives crappy American cars?

I keed, I actually think the new Vette's are pretty sweet. Not as sweet as a hard top Miata with an LS swap, but almost.
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One interesting point if reference, I HAVE been passed on an Autobahn by Focus RS.

I have never that I can recall been passed by a Corvette. I will let you ponder why that is. (and its not price..as I have been passed by much more expensive cars than a vette)
I will go with demographics.

90% of Corvette owners are mature, not young idiots driving like D-bags trying to prove something
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I will go with demographics.

90% of Corvette owners are mature, not young idiots driving like D-bags trying to prove something
Dude. It's on the autobahn.
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Dude. It's on the autobahn.
90 year old guys drive S63 AMGs and are doing 150mph...
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