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Old 10-26-2013, 16:32   #161
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OP, contact the farmer. Work out a written agreement, ask if he's been hunting and deal with it appropriately. If you don't want him hunting, don't do it. If it wasn't him, post the land and deal with it appropriately.



I'd just go talk to the guy, personally, but I disagree with your synopsis here. A guy open carrying in town is not a threat because he's not doing anything illegal. A guy carrying a gun while committing the crime of trespassing (intentionally or not), is committing a crime and thus could understandably be treated as an armed criminal.
How do you know he's trespassing in this circumstance.. Is the proper signage in place

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Old 10-26-2013, 16:39   #162
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I have signage all over my property. "No Trespassing or Hunting"... the vast majority of the border.

In a few key areas... "Trespassers Will Be Violated".... "Trespassers WILL Be Shot... Survivors, Will Be Shot Again"....

And finally coming up the 1/4 mile driveway... and up close to the house... "DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE HEREAFTER?... TRESPASS HERE, AND FIND OUT FOR SURE."

EDIT: Has to do with a vicious dog instance that occurred long ago.

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Old 10-26-2013, 16:47   #163
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Just because you own 90 acres or whatever thf .... and had one or 2 bad experiences with trespassers .... doesn't mean you gotta be a dick to everyone who you THINK is raping your land....

That is unless you have a still or dungeon you are afraid of someone finding.

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Old 10-26-2013, 17:03   #164
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Just because you own 90 acres or whatever thf .... and had one or 2 bad experiences with trespassers .... doesn't mean you gotta be a dick to everyone who you THINK is raping your land....

That is unless you have a still or dungeon you are afraid of someone finding.
You make a good point there, friend...

There is nobody that OWNS land... anybody that is lucky... ALL just temporary caretakers of it.

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Old 10-26-2013, 18:27   #165
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Just remember to blade when approaching the trespasser.
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Old 10-26-2013, 20:54   #166
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Is the armed trespasser wearing a ski mask? Carrying a crowbar? Or just on your land, perhaps even mistakenly?

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As you it depends on the state where it occurs, and the time of day(actually if it is at night (more than 30 minutes before sunrise or 30 minutes after sunset). In some states in some circumstances, trespassing and openly carrying and arm and messing about on someone's property could get you legally shot. Think Criminal Mischief at night in the state of Texas. I don't recommend doing anything that could be considered criminal mischief at night on someone else's property in the state of Texas, not do I recommend shooting them for it. It will likely turn out bad for one or both.

As a LEO, you know that any confrontation is potentially dangerous, whether the person is known to be armed or not. Otherwise police would not approach cars the way they do for traffic stops. If a random person will be aggressive with a police officer that is known to be armed, may be wearing a vest, and has the full weight of the law, and lots of armed friends a radio call away; what makes you think the same random person with reasonable suspicion or probable cause to be trespassing armed on their land to will be less likely to be aggressive with a non-LEO uniformed citizen?

Do you not recommend some level of caution?
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Old 10-26-2013, 21:26   #167
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off topic they were giving out bacon flavored chapstick at our state fair yesterday .
This may well be the most important item in this thread. Certainly deserving of a thread of its own. Maybe there even ought to be a "bacon" forum here.

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... and sneak to within 150 yards of his position (we have real thick woods). Then... I fire a shot in the air... and yell out... ....
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Hmmm firing a shot into the air.
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Old 10-27-2013, 00:39   #168
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TBO has it right...

But this very thing has happened to me... many times. Before confronting... two things that I have to know:
1. Where is the fella's truck?
2. Do I know the part of my 500 acres good enough that I will not get shot?

Then... when I see the fella's parked truck... I grab my 12 ga. Rossi hammer-double... and sneak to within 150 yards of his position (we have real thick woods). Then... I fire a shot in the air... and yell out... "Hey... you in the tree... please come down and let's talk about why you are hunting on my property." Then I exit.

Then drive straight to the place where the truck will come out on the road. At this point in time, I will be supposedly unarmed (but protected behind my truck)... and not worried unless said hunter can shoot a long-arm out his truck window. With a smile and some good-natured arm-waving... the truck always stops (has to), and we have a parlay. Never have had a problem after this.

This only works on early mornin' deer or turkey hunters... I am not qualified to walk up on an armed man sitting illegally in my woods. But I can talk to him when he comfortably thinks he has made it to freedom... out on the dirt road.

Would not try this at night... with coon hunters. It's dark and I just sneak right up on 'em... and make a loud, unambiguous announcement. Most of the time... the coon hunters will just turn off their flashlights and hunker down in the dark. Then I just fire both barrels up in the air and threaten to shoot their friggin' dogs that everybody hears barking. Coon hunters will holler out that they need to collect their dogs... and will NEVER come back after that threat. That too has never failed.

BTW... I would never shoot a hunting dog... sometimes ya have to act mean.

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Now some of this is clearly the right idea. When they hear the shot go off they will run if doing something wrong.
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Old 10-27-2013, 01:01   #169
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I would emphasize that the fault lies with the OP landowner. If he does not even know who is farming his land how can he expect to control who is on that land? In most cases landowners have a contract spelling out what the renter can and cannot do. We raised many cattle on our prime hunting ground and lost a ton of them. Then we also had the hunters with a truckload of dogs running the scent. They are the worst, often cutting fences to follow their dogs. Many issues in this thread.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:30   #170
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Best to tell the guy that farms your land, you don't want hunters on it. I would start there wait a couple days for them to take their stands out and call the Game Warden. Let him deal with them keep you out of it. If not all gone within a week I would take the stands down myself and give them away.

I would also put up some Posted No hunting sign.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:06   #171
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one of the best stories

a guy in a tree stand

land owner walks up

the guy says who do you think you are

I'm hunting here

the land owner says I am the Game Warden that OWNS this land.
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:15   #172
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:21   #173
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:46   #174
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What if this hunter finds a Sasquatch turd on your land? Mighty valuable in your area, I understand. $2,500.00 or more. Think of your loss.
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Old 10-27-2013, 10:04   #175
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Just remember to blade when approaching the trespasser.
I want to find the person who decided to change the term, "Square up" to "blade" and shake them until they can no longer command the English language. I really do.
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Old 10-27-2013, 10:07   #176
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The common denominator is the gun, period.

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Yeah, you certainly have no experience hunting. Lots of hunters don't use guns. So no, the common denominator is not the gun. In fact, the only discernible common denominator in this thread going against common sense has been...well...YOU.

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Old 10-27-2013, 10:42   #177
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People are having no issue walking up to an unarmed person who's on their property (person not observed doing anything threatening).
Same conditions, now only add the person has a firearm. Now people are afraid.

Pretty clear, it's the gun that makes the difference.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Uh huh. Good luck walking up on a hunter with a pack of vicious dogs. Or a bow. You ever seen how fast a bow can be fired and what a modern broadhead does on impact?

It ain't the gun. Its the trespasser and the typical mindset of hunters who hunt on whatever land they see fit that we know to be wary of.
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Better ban hunting if the woods are so full of murderous creepers...

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Better ban hunting if the woods are so full of murderous creepers...

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Sooner or later, they will.

Get out and hunt sometime. You'll understand after a few seasons.
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