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Old 10-25-2013, 14:14   #121
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is this based upon your solid understanding of law or just a personal opinion of how you would like things to work ?
I'm not sure I understand your question. There are lots of posters here that are stating that they believe that a trespassing hunter could be dangerous to confront. You stated that you believe these posters have a conflicting mind set as they don't consider someone open carrying in town to be a threat. I disagree as someone committing the crime of trespassing could very well be a threat. I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting that any hunter in the woods should be considered as a threat. Those that are obviously breaking the law, on the other hand, should probably be treated as a potential threat.
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Old 10-25-2013, 14:53   #122
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I haven't read the whole thread and beside that my opinion is probably worthless so I'll give it anyway.

Before you call the game warden put out a bag of corn so the warden will also get them for hunting on a baited field.
Why not just plant drugs in their vehicle and call the cops?
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Old 10-25-2013, 14:55   #123
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is this based upon your solid understanding of law or just a personal opinion of how you would like things to work ?



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I agree with what he said, think of it this way. You being an LEO are you going to consider someone that is maybe recklessly driving and open carrying to be more of a threat than a common citizen walking around OC? My guess is you would, even though the gun might not be related the fact is someone who is already committing a crime of some sort is going to be perceived to be potentially more dangerous than someone who is not
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Old 10-25-2013, 15:17   #124
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I haven't read the whole thread and beside that my opinion is probably worthless so I'll give it anyway.

Before you call the game warden put out a bag of corn so the warden will also get them for hunting on a baited field.
That varies from state to state . Legal here .
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Old 10-25-2013, 15:50   #125
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One of my best buddies( grew up together) is a GW and he's been shot at before while dealing with some scum that poach.

scenario 1 .
I'll concede that theres a good chance that it was a accidental line cross and if the OP makes contact with the hunter and everything goes well ............. Then great, all fine and well ......

scenario 2.
what if he has a confrontation with a nut ( cause I can assure you they are out there) that doesn't care 1 iota whether he trespassed and decides to throw a beat down on the OP or takes the contact as the threat and shoots him ( it happens), then the OP gets to go to the hospital or possibly the morgue , then he or his family has to continually deal with the A-Hole causing problems because he was jailed for trespassing and assault?



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Old 10-25-2013, 16:05   #126
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This post reminds me of the Hmong immigrant that was on private land. When two or three of the hunters caught him they left to get help and when they came back he shot and killed most of them.
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Old 10-25-2013, 16:10   #127
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Old 10-25-2013, 16:18   #128
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Ok so I was taking my dog for his romp with his friends at the dog park today. As I drove out my drive way I see a truck parked at the service road that is about 50 yards off my land. When I get home I see it is still there. So curiosity got the better of me and I took a walk. Part of my land is woods and part of it is farmed. The wooded area is surrounded by plowed land so it jets out like a peninsula. As I get to the far side I see the ladder on my tree and 2 stands. It's less than 30 mins before dark and I can see the truck pulling out. So what do I do? Do I try to be nice and hope he is not an a $$ about it or do I go right to the game warden and have them take care of it? I do not want to be a dick about it he may assume it's the farmers land who farms about 2 acres of my land. On the other hand he may know he is trespassing and it could get ugly fast.
Game Warden and I would post it if not already posted. That takes some big "cojones" on their part to be on your land without permission.
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Old 10-25-2013, 16:23   #129
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This post reminds me of the Hmong immigrant that was on private land. When two or three of the hunters caught him they left to get help and when they came back he shot and killed most of them.
The reason that we all now that story is because how uncommon it is.

How many hunting licenses are sold in the USA per year, and how often do shootouts happen among hunters?
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Old 10-25-2013, 17:00   #130
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The reason that we all now that story is because how uncommon it is.

How many hunting licenses are sold in the USA per year, and how often do shootouts happen among hunters?
Very rare but my uncle was shot by a "city slicker" who thought he was a deer so that still goes on but shootouts are almost never heard of.
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Old 10-25-2013, 17:08   #131
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I agree with what he said, think of it this way. You being an LEO are you going to consider someone that is maybe recklessly driving and open carrying to be more of a threat than a common citizen walking around OC? My guess is you would, even though the gun might not be related the fact is someone who is already committing a crime of some sort is going to be perceived to be potentially more dangerous than someone who is not
The hunter may, or may not be committing a crime. Same as the person in town.

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Old 10-25-2013, 17:38   #132
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As much as people here on GT want to have the attitude that their being armed represents no danger to anyone else but random bad-guys, there is a lot of assuming that hunters (be they armed with rifles or bows) are somehow dangerous villains, Taliban-style.

For Christ's sake, when you see they are on your property hunting, just walk up to them and talk to them. They aren't going to shoot you, they aren't going to harm you, unless you yourself are walking up to them with a firearm pointed at them. Just stroll up with a smile and a friendly countenance, and you'll be fine.

Jesus, but this is just the biggest bunch of anti-social paranoids. Negative assumptions all around.

Be nice, be social, and be as respectful as if you were on their land, and all will be fine.

Hell you might gain some new friends, and they may decide to pay you for the privilege of hunting on your property.

If it was me? I'd throw my bow or rifle (whatever season it is in OH) over my shoulder, don an orange hunting cap, and just stroll right up to them. You will look like one of them, and at worse they will be confused as to why you're trying to join them in what they think is their hunting stand. And then discuss the matter with them in a friendly manner.
That will be the day when I stroll up to a pack of thieves and treat them like I'M STEALING THE USE OF THEIR LAND. If you leave the house with the intention to hunt, it is ON YOU TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE. You are responsible for knowing property lines and who owns the land you are standing on.
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Old 10-25-2013, 17:46   #133
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Very rare but my uncle was shot by a "city slicker" who thought he was a deer so that still goes on but shootouts are almost never heard of.
That sounds like a hunting accident, not a shootout with the intent to murder a human like the previously mentioned incident with the Hmong.
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Old 10-25-2013, 19:22   #134
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some serious pork going on .


this thread has spun a bearing


off topic they were giving out bacon flavored chapstick at our state fair yesterday .
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Old 10-25-2013, 19:50   #135
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Very rare but my uncle was shot by a "city slicker" who thought he was a deer so that still goes on but shootouts are almost never heard of.
Add me to the list of being mistaken by a hunter for a deer. An older man with deteriorating eyesight sent two rounds of 30-06 my direction inside 50 yards. The good news about him being eyesight-challenged was that he did not get off accurate shots.

That is all the more reason that I'd not want people hunting on my land unless I had a chance to vet them a bit. I'd post a polite note in a conspicuous location near their gear and give a deadline for removing themselves and their gear. The next move would be a call to law enforcement.
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Old 10-25-2013, 20:04   #136
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We lost an average of six cattle per year due to stupid hunters. Of course they never tracked us down and tried to make restitution, just snuck away.
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Old 10-25-2013, 23:07   #137
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That sounds like a hunting accident, not a shootout with the intent to murder a human like the previously mentioned incident with the Hmong.
I agree.
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Old 10-26-2013, 00:29   #138
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I had a similar situation about 15 years ago. Caught a guy on my land in a stand during deer season with a pile of apples on the ground (hunting over bait is illegal in PA). I nicely asked the guy if he was aware he was on private property, to which he told me he had permission from the owner. I explained that I was the owner of the property, to which he responded that it wasn't posted. I told him since there was no public land in that area, whether or not it was posted was immaterial - there wasn't anywhere in that area he could hunt without permission from the landowner. He started to give me a bunch of ***** about nowhere to hunt, he had always hunted here, etc. etc. I politely told him that he could leave, or explain to the game warden. He left and I never saw him again. He wasn't the first person to just walk onto my property and hunt without permission. You aren't being a jerk - if he falls out of the stand, he can sue you because it happened on your property. Best thing is to be nice, but firm, and not let anyone hunt on your land without permission. Some people have balls so big I wonder how they can walk.
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My opinion is like many others here...call the game warden. You can either have the trespassed or warned.
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The hunter may, or may not be committing a crime. Same as the person in town.
From the LEO's perspective, that is correct. They may not know the full story yet.

However, this scenario is referring to the perspective of a landowner. If the landowner has not given a single soul permission to hunt or trespass on his land, then there is without a doubt a crime being committed. The landowner will know the full situation.
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