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Old 10-18-2013, 09:48   #1
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Something I've been thinking of...

As of late I've been thinking about pistol caliber carbines and while most popular calibers have had small rifles chambered for them one has not (at least to my knowledge).

Which would be the .357 Sig

It seems like a good little cartridge to use for a carbine, feeding shouldn't be a problem and from my memory the round is generally hotter than 9 mm or .40 cal (though I could be very wrong) but still has the ability to use compact high capacity magazines.

A semi-auto or bolt action rifle with a 16.5 inch barrel should prove to be a handy option, even more so if said carbine(s) would be able to accept Glock magazines.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:43   #2
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Carbines that accept pistol cartridges have failed in the marketplace again & again, Marln Camp rifles, Ruger Police Carbines, etc. As well, the .357 SIG is an expensive round with boxes of 50 now around $30. The only weapon, other than a pistol, for this round that I know of is a new SIG full auto subgun for LE & Class III dealers and with the plethora of short AR15's it has no future.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:47   #3
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Doesn't seem like you gain much going to a 16.5 inch bbl compared to say, a 9mm luger. Yea, the velocity will be more over all, but the increase won't be at a significantly higher rate.....


http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357sig.html

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:49   #4
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As well, the .357 SIG is an expensive round with boxes of 50 now around $30.
And what Tiro said right here. You could buy 60 rounds of 5.56 for 30$ give or take, so why would I buy 50 rounds of .357 sig that performs not nearly as well, yet I'm still lugging around a 16 inch barrel.


IF I wanted or had to get a PCC and dump my AR, I'd probably go with one in 9mm so it would at least be somewhat more economical in the long run.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:03   #5
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Solution to a question no one is asking, really.

A .40 or 9mm PCC makes a lot more sense from virtually every perspective.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:15   #6
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One company that I know of is offering the Sig MPX as a civilian legal carbine (barrel is the same length but with a long fixed comp to meet the required regs.

I think it's a good idea really for folks that have a glock or sig handgun in the same caliber.

There aren't any bolt action carbines in that caliber, and said carbine would be nice to have.

Keep in mind that ruger brought out the 77/357 not too long ago, and a carbine based on that action with .357 sig cal. would increase the round count.

It would be a way to increase the usefulness of the .357 sig and at the same time supply a fairly potent P.C.C. with a flatter trajectory.

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Old 10-19-2013, 06:18   #7
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pfletch83 "...It seems like a good little cartridge to use for a carbine, feeding shouldn't be a problem and from my memory the round is generally hotter than 9 mm or .40 cal (though I could be very wrong) but still has the ability to use compact high capacity magazines."

"A .40 or 9mm PCC makes a lot more sense from virtually every perspective." cowboy1964

I agree 100%. I recently purchased a 9mm carbine; http://www.justrightcarbines.com/

I own 3 Glock 9mm pistols and have more than a few magazines for them all - from 10 round(ers) up to 33 rounds and they all will fit and work in my carbine.

Although the .357 sig is a fun round to shoot, I agree it is just too expensive to run quantities through a carbine.

Good luck and be safe out there
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Old 10-19-2013, 09:15   #8
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Another idea that has crossed my mind is the .32 NAA

I wonder if pocket pistols like the 380 bodyguard could be converted to fire this cartridge without over pressure issues?

Maybe just swap out the .380 barrel with one in the above caliber, I know that it might not seem very practical but I do like the bottle necked cartridges.
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Solution to a question no one is asking, really.

A .40 or 9mm PCC makes a lot more sense from virtually every perspective.
tap off a few 5.56 indoors in a SD situation and a carbine fireing pistol ammo will seem like a great idea. I think there is a place for one for me. I like my AR but man would that be loud in a small room. I would like something in .40 or .45.
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Old 10-19-2013, 20:45   #10
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What about a semi-auto carbine in .25NAA or .32NAA wouldn't be much louder than a .40 or 9 mm and would be more reliable as it relates to feeding hollow point ammo.

Plus recoil would be on par with a .22lr
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Old 10-20-2013, 21:53   #11
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tap off a few 5.56 indoors in a SD situation and a carbine fireing pistol ammo will seem like a great idea. I think there is a place for one for me. I like my AR but man would that be loud in a small room. I would like something in .40 or .45.
According to others on this site, you will suffer no hearing damage. You're good to go, bro.
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Old 10-20-2013, 22:06   #12
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Sometime I am going to pick up a Mechtec upper in .357sig. A slow burning powder and some 90gr-125gr bullets should be fun.

A lot of coin can be saved by reloading .357sig and it can be reloaded far cheaper than .223 and less than .40sw. Though it is definitely not a replacement for .223/5.56.

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Old 10-20-2013, 22:09   #13
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Marlin camp 9 was next to my door when I was stationed in Fallon. Proved to be potent medicine when the coyotes came looking for the neighbors cats.

I still like that lightweight, fast handling little carbine. I promise you wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of those 115 gr +P JHPs.

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Old 10-20-2013, 23:38   #14
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Carbines that accept pistol cartridges have failed in the marketplace again & again, Marln Camp rifles, Ruger Police Carbines, etc. As well, the .357 SIG is an expensive round with boxes of 50 now around $30. The only weapon, other than a pistol, for this round that I know of is a new SIG full auto subgun for LE & Class III dealers and with the plethora of short AR15's it has no future.
I agree. I have owned the Beretta Storm and Ruger carbine. My dept did not allow rifle caliber long guns for patrol for many years. I tried those two carbines and just didn't hang onto them. No much use for them IMO, especially in semi auto.
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