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Old 10-16-2013, 17:03   #126
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So leading by example and challenging others is non sequitur?
This is a non sequitur.
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Old 10-16-2013, 17:05   #127
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I don't buy that at all. Fat people are fat because they eat too much.

Anyone who believes otherwise is living in denial.

Add some exercise and ANY able woman can be fit and healthy. Difficult for the physically handicaped to be fit, but other than that, only excuses.

As the fit woman says, "What's your excuse?"



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Old 10-16-2013, 17:25   #128
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LOL muscogee, I'm about halfway between the other guys and you. Genetics definitely play a big role in how easy it is to keep fat off. I don't know which plays a bigger role, genetics or diligent work, but my guess is they're about equally as influential. Can't prove it, though.
I didn't explain myself too well or the other guys misread what I wrote. Many people in here wold take issue with me is I said they Sun is hot. I suspect there's a lot of that going on. As I wrote, you can make some modifications to your body, but there are limits to that. Everyone can't be svelte or ripped just like everyone can't bench 400 lb.

I grew up in a hillbilly community around women whose shoulders had to be 24 inches wide. There's nothing they can do about that. Some people are naturally swaybacked. Some are born with flat feet that messes up their posture. We can't all look like Hollywood says we should, and we shouldn't judge people because they can't. This is not to say that some people can't loose weight or get in better shape.
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Old 10-16-2013, 17:28   #129
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Are you a pinko commie that voted for Obama?
No, I'm a recovering Republican who voted against every Republican on the ballot.
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I didn't explain myself too well or the other guys misread what I wrote. Many people in here wold take issue with me is I said they Sun is hot. I suspect there's a lot of that going on. As I wrote, you can make some modifications to your body, but there are limits to that. Everyone can't be svelte or ripped just like everyone can't bench 400 lb.

I grew up in a hillbilly community around women whose shoulders had to be 24 inches wide. There's nothing they can do about that. Some people are naturally swaybacked. Some are born with flat feet that messes up their posture. We can't all look like Hollywood says we should, and we shouldn't judge people because they can't. This is not to say that some people can't loose weight or get in better shape.
I agree with that, especially the part in bold. We need to encourage people who are making a good effort.

For some women, that might mean going from 5'-4" and 200 to 5'-4" and 150, which is a far cry from the build of a very fit woman. However, to go from 150 down to [fill in the blanks] might take so much effort that she'd have to make her whole life about her body, to the detriment of other things. Depends on the situation. Some people can reasonably dedicate that kind of time and effort, but others can't. A more genetically gifted woman might put in a similar, reasonable effort and be 30-40 lb lighter and a lot more athletic and fit.
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Old 10-16-2013, 17:39   #131
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its funny how some people talk about genetics making them fat and keeping them that way. ask anybody who has been a POW how even the "fat guys" in the platoon skinny up real quick when they don't eat McDonald's and the like.
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Old 10-16-2013, 17:41   #132
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One more time, fit and healthy, yes. Look like the woman in the picture, no. Be ashamed for not looking like the woman in the picture? Definitely not.
Ok, that I agree with.

But all women can be beautiful in their own way, too.

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Old 10-16-2013, 18:02   #133
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its funny how some people talk about genetics making them fat and keeping them that way. ask anybody who has been a POW how even the "fat guys" in the platoon skinny up real quick when they don't eat McDonald's and the like.
Sure, but planning and will power don't come into play for the POWs. In the US, almost all cheap, tasty, and readily available foods pack fat on very efficiently.

It takes either a very good plan that causes little discomfort to underfeed, like Paleo or Zone, or adequate willpower. The margin for error is larger for some people than others.
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Old 10-16-2013, 20:23   #134
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Ok, that I agree with.

But all women can be beautiful in their own way, too.

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Hey, I like them slightly chunky if the chunk is: more muscle than fat, they're tan, have white teeth, are athletic and all the rest. You know, back to BMI... soccer players are a great example of a thicky who is also nugalitious.
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Old 10-16-2013, 21:08   #135
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I like how she looks. Lots. AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS...
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Old 10-16-2013, 21:12   #136
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I can't believe that people will defend being "fat" I don't think anyone here thinks every woman can or should look like the mom in question, but to go around saying that all the fat people today don't have a choice is foolish. As a whole our national average weight is too high. I don't think it's a problem for the government to deal with at all, in fact I think government welfare is part of the problem, but it should be dealt with on a personal level. Having a societal pressure to stay in shape and maintain a healthy weight is a good thing, and is as far as it should go.



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I can't believe that people will defend being "fat" I don't think anyone here thinks every woman can or should look like the mom in question, but to go around saying that all the fat people today don't have a choice is foolish. As a whole our national average weight is too high. I don't think it's a problem for the government to deal with at all, in fact I think government welfare is part of the problem, but it should be dealt with on a personal level. Having a societal pressure to stay in shape and maintain a healthy weight is a good thing, and is as far as it should go.

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I agree. It always amazes me how much fat people get defended, as if they are born that way and can't help it.

I remember the first time I went to Japan and flew home to Houston. I still remember the very first thought that went through my head when I got out into the airport. It wasn't 'i'm glad to be home' or anything like that. It was, "Wow, there are a lot of fat people here!!" And that is sad that I can immediately recognize that much of a difference.


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I know how she feels, people hate me because I am handsome.


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It sucks being us.


No, actually it doesn't, but hey, we won't ever let them know the truth. You know.
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Old 10-16-2013, 21:35   #143
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No matter what you do, no matter what choice you make, even if you are doing the right thing, there will be people opposed to you.

Screw em'
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Seriously though;

That woman is alright, she's got a body and brains!
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This woman worked to get in shape and has 3 kids. Some people don't like how she looks.

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I'm sorry you took an image and resonated with it in such a negative way. I won't go into details that I struggled with my genetics, had an eating disorder, work full time owning two businesses, have no nanny, am not naturally skinny and do not work as a personal trainer,” she wrote, in part. “What I WILL say is this. What you interpret is not MY fault. It's yours. The first step in owning your life, your body and your destiny is to OWN the thoughts that come out of your own head. I didn't create them. You created them. So if you want to continue ‘hating’ this image, get used to hating many other things for the rest of your life.”
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Old 10-16-2013, 21:38   #144
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McDonalds has small salads for $0.99 and several other places I've been to have salads that are much cheaper than the kids meals.

In fact, since we're on the topic, kids meals sure cost a lot, must be a real nice profit on those.



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Old 10-16-2013, 22:32   #145
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I agree. I don't know where you got the idea that I felt everyone should be alike. We should all be what we are and not be shamed for it.
This is still absurd. People have the ability to be far more than they are but that takes work.

Competition inspires. Pizz on people who dont want to play. They can @#% lose and bich about it.
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Yep I would help her get ready for round four.
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This is a non sequitur.
Actually it was a bulls-eye. I expected more from you.

(okay, not really)
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Old 10-17-2013, 04:51   #148
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We should all be what we are and not be shamed for it.
Except you should be shamed for voting for Obama.
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:02   #149
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I would, and I'd have my mom video tape it for proof!

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Your phenotype is genetic. You can modify it some, but not much. There are women in this world who would be larger than Ms. Kang if they were anorexic. There are some who would be thinner no matter what they did. Ms. Kang is showing off. It's like posting your IQ scores or posting pictures of your genitalia. That would obviously be in bad taste. So is bragging about the body she was born with. So is shaming people who weren't born like you.
From the UK Daily Mail...

"Lots of hard work: Ms Kang says that it took years for her to get into shape after battling an eating disorder, struggling with her genetics and having three children"


More pictures of her on this link including before and after.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ded-bully.html



I do not see what the anger is about.
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