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Old 10-10-2013, 16:23   #51
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Well, I'm not sure why I should give a damn about you or your situation. Everybody has choices in their life. You probably had the opportunity to pursue a military career, so don't rag on me if you didn't do it.
I did, and I got out partly because I can do the math and I know that when I'm 80, there's no way that government pensions and healthcare for life are going to be sustainable.

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As for Medicare, I paid into it my entire working life (and still do). I can't help it if your choices are a worse deal - I didn't vote for that fool we have in the White House.
My choices are a worse deal BECAUSE you got the deal you got. It was clear that Social Security and Medicare would be unsustainable from a funding perspective 30 years ago. Instead of voting for a system which would be sustainable, your generation figured you'd get what you can get and what happens after you die is someone else's problem.
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Old 10-10-2013, 16:25   #52
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This should not be especially suprising at all and in fact perhaps even reasonably predictable.



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On the part-time thing - what happens when a company has a bunch of part-timers at 28-29 hours, and then all the sudden they have a spike in demand and need overtime?

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My guess is that if we continue down this road, there will be more and more part time employees who would prefer to work full time. My other guess is at least some of them will decide to supplement their part time employment with other part time employment. Some may even keep com ing back to the same previous part time seasonal/demand type part time jobs.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:14   #53
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My local insurance agent is seeing his premiums go up $450 a month.

Of course, here in Alabama, Blue Cross has a monopoly on health care and they can charge whatever they like. The inablilty to shop across state lines eliminates price competition.

ACA is a fraudulent act to enrich and payback the insurance companies and to drive us all to single payer. It's nefarious in nature.

When people pay more for insurance than their rent or mortgage, something will break eventually. It cannot work.

I know y'all think I voted for Obama, but I didn't. I voted for Mitt, but nothing could stop this freight train of fraud, deception, and downright evil act from occurring.

We were sold out by our government.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:28   #54
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The company I work for just switched to a voucher system. I didn't pay much attention because I'm covered under my wife's plan. But the people in the meeting weren't happy AT ALL. and I know of a few guys looking for work just because of the change.

Hope and Change people, Hope, and Change!
This is the piss poor attitude that got us in this mess to begin with! not you specifically of course, but the FYGMO attitude. I'm probably just guilty of it as you though, so FM.
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Old 10-10-2013, 17:36   #55
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Don't worry Dana. In a few short years, we'll have single payer. That's what Obamacare was designed to do....be so bad that single payer would appear to be our salvation.
I see this happening too. I just hope we'll have a President/Congress that will implement it right instead of screwing us even more.
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Ever seen the Blue Cross majestic buildings across America?

They are like casinos. Losers and greed built them.

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Old 10-10-2013, 18:40   #57
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You (we) haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg yet.

obamacare is going to make SS and Medicare look like chicken feed.

If you like SS and Medicare you are going to love obamacare.

If we can't stop it now, your children and grandchildren will curse us for obamacare far worse then we curse our elders for SS and Medicare.























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They won't curse me since I didn't vote for him either time.
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Old 10-10-2013, 18:59   #58
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Ever seen the Blue Cross majestic buildings across America?

They are like casinos. Losers and greed built them.
I am reminded when I drive by the former Mack Truck World Headquarters building now occupied by Lehigh Valley Health Network.

We used to build stuff…now it appears we are a sickly lot judging by the large number of hospitals and health insurance companies.
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Old 10-10-2013, 19:12   #59
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I am reminded when I drive by the former Mack Truck World Headquarters building now occupied by Lehigh Valley Health Network.

We used to build stuff…now it appears we are a sickly lot judging by the large number of hospitals and health insurance companies.
Good point.

Healthcare is the big business now. Bad nutrional advice, P.E. in schools a joke, the most marketed to society in history, big pharma, big dollars, and corrupt politicians have built empires.

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Old 10-10-2013, 19:26   #60
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Ever seen the Blue Cross majestic buildings across America?

They are like casinos. Losers and greed built them.
Really? You think yours and my ancestors of 100 years ago would say the same thing if they knew that life saving and life improvement treatments would be available to them?
Instead they died of now treatable heart disease and other too numerous to mention medical ailments.
Those treatments cost money. You have to pay people to spend the time and dedication it takes to develop those treatments and medications.
Greed comes from lazy people who don't want to work, but want to eat and have a warm place to sleep, and treatment when they get sick.
They vote for the truly criminal Democrat party to steal money from those who earn it. They are the bad guys.
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Old 10-10-2013, 19:33   #61
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They were told healthcare would be free.

Pelosi said free health insurance would allow you to become an artist.


She really meant a con artist.
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Old 10-10-2013, 19:41   #62
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Really? You think yours and my ancestors of 100 years ago would say the same thing if they knew that life saving and life improvement treatments would be available to them?
Instead they died of now treatable heart disease and other too numerous to mention medical ailments.
Those treatments cost money. You have to pay people to spend the time and dedication it takes to develop those treatments and medications.
Greed comes from lazy people who don't want to work, but want to eat and have a warm place to sleep, and treatment when they get sick.
They vote for the truly criminal Democrat party to steal money from those who earn it. They are the bad guys.

Bingo. I think there was a GTer on here just a week or so ago talking about his pacemaker...

That costs money...
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This should not be especially suprising at all and in fact perhaps even reasonably predictable.





My guess is that if we continue down this road, there will be more and more part time employees who would prefer to work full time. My other guess is at least some of them will decide to supplement their part time employment with other part time employment. Some may even keep com ing back to the same previous part time seasonal/demand type part time jobs.
It's already happening.

I have been told to limit my non-benefited employees to an average of 23 hours/week. Two of them who used to get 40+ have given me the courtesy of telling me they are looking for new jobs. I can't blame them and it stings twice as hard because they are some of my best employees.

I have been approved to double the number of non-benefited employees.
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Old 10-10-2013, 20:25   #64
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ACA is a fraudulent act to enrich and payback the insurance companies and to drive us all to single payer. It's nefarious in nature...

I know y'all think I voted for Obama, but I didn't. I voted for Mitt, but nothing could stop this freight train of fraud, deception, and downright evil act from occurring.

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Ever seen the Blue Cross majestic buildings across America?

They are like casinos. Losers and greed built them.
Insurance companies provide a service - they allow you to transfer risk. Don't like the service? Take the risk yourself.
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It's already happening.

I have been told to limit my non-benefited employees to an average of 23 hours/week. Two of them who used to get 40+ have given me the courtesy of telling me they are looking for new jobs. I can't blame them and it stings twice as hard because they are some of my best employees.

I have been approved to double the number of non-benefited employees.
They wont be able to walk. They will find the new employers will offer the same terms.
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Old 10-10-2013, 20:47   #66
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It's already happening.

I have been told to limit my non-benefited employees to an average of 23 hours/week. Two of them who used to get 40+ have given me the courtesy of telling me they are looking for new jobs. I can't blame them and it stings twice as hard because they are some of my best employees.

I have been approved to double the number of non-benefited employees.
Sadly I do not doubt that. And I find it a bit ironic that in what has been pitched as a concept to elevate people in the lower economic status in reality will do the opposite.
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Old 10-10-2013, 20:52   #67
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Sadly I do not doubt that. And I find it a bit ironic that in what has been pitched as a concept to elevate people in the lower economic status in reality will do the opposite.
Well, the assumption is that people with money are stupid to figure out how to keep it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 20:55   #68
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Couple of questions:

1. The 5k/bronze connection. Is that getting insurance under the company umbrella? I have a friend that makes well north of that and bought a gold policy in CA. He is self employed, though.

2. I don't think the part time model works for a lot of companies, i.e. non-retail. I can see many taking the penalty and having the employees go to the exchanges.
I believe it varies per state, ex: a family of four that makes up to 94,000 is eligible for a $428.00 a month subsidy.


I was online getting information since received a non renew notice from my carrier. I don't qualify for any subsidy but looking at the rates it "says" again "says" my rate or even better coverage will be 60% less than I pay now. Forgive me if I don't believe them.
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Old 10-10-2013, 21:29   #69
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But, the BIG QUESTION is if this will be enough to swing enough middle ground voters who voted DemoRat in the past to switch sides? The 2014 mid term elections may be very interesting. Very.
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But, the BIG QUESTION is if this will be enough to swing enough middle ground voters who voted DemoRat in the past to switch sides? The 2014 mid term elections may be very interesting. Very.
I don't think that's the way the trend-lines are moving..

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/re...ecord-low.aspx
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What's amazing to me is how so many millions of dumbed-down American citizens believe Democrats are the party of "the little people". ObamaCare is the perfect illustration of this myth.

For decades businesses were required to provide healthcare plans for employees, and the general rule was that companies would shop for the best value for themselves and employees (competition).

Because millions of illegal aliens and those citizens without the willingness, education, or ability to work "progressives" in the Democrat Party relied on the Radical Left media and Hollywood to promote the fiction that people by the droves were being dumped at emergency room doorways where they soon expired.

Enter the era where Hollywood/Big Media control the propaganda apparatus that elects politicians, and now we have in a short time wrecked the best healthcare system in the world via a Marxist model of massive government control over people's lives.

Corporation were bribed by the allure of dumping their healthcare costs onto "the little people", and to further their cooperation businesses were given a year exemption.

Don't be surprised next year when the Obama-Holder Administration and the Media/Hollywood axis begin to warn that forcing corporations to shoulder any ObamaCare costs will bring on a severe recession. Therefore, under the guise of caring for "the little people" who would face layoffs and economic ruin this Marxist regime will indefinitely suspend the corporate mandate to participate in ObamaCare.

But then, the same imbeciles who regularly vote for Democrats will be so frightened of "the looming depression" that they will ignore their own disastrous experiences with the train wreck of ObamaCare and vote for Democrats once again.

As a born optimist I try to look on the bright side, but after last November's election I fear the America I grew up in no longer exists. We live in an oligarchy controlled by Radical Left Academia, Big Media, Hollywood, and "progressive" Marxist career politicians acting in concert to regiment all aspects of an individual's life. It's not much of a stretch for me to imagine Big Brother in the not too distant future.
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They wont be able to walk. They will find the new employers will offer the same terms.
I understand that but, I will only be able to use some of my best employees half as much as before while hoping my new hires, once trained, are adequate.
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Sadly I do not doubt that. And I find it a bit ironic that in what has been pitched as a concept to elevate people in the lower economic status in reality will do the opposite.
Yeah, and my people are already in a low economic status. I feel bad for them.
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The people of the USA elected Gov't officials who for more than fifty years have shoveled political gravy into the insurance cos. mouths and now the chickens have come home to roost. Admittedly, Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, BUT health ins. costs were skyrocketing long before Obama was even in the Gov't. There is far too much waste, fraud & greed involved in health care for sure. However, the even bigger moral issue facing us is how to exactly ration health care as we cannot afford to treat everyone. That's the bottom line. It is totally unsustainable. Period. Sooner or later we will have "death" panels. There will simply be no other option.

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Insurance companies provide a service - they allow you to transfer risk. Don't like the service? Take the risk yourself.
In the past that was almost true. Under Ocare you will be fined if you do not. My insurance is also going up. Was notified months ago. More job offers as places (like OP) wanting to find part time folks who can do work, don't want many hrs.
Over two yrs ago I met a ER Dr. who really impressed me. Guy was smart, good with pts/staff, willing to listen. So I chatted with him on break. He was looking/planning on going to law school. He LOVED medicine. Loved the ER, GP type work. Was NOT going to work under Ocare.
He had decided where he was going, just not nailed down start date.
If he had been halfway close to where I live I would have wanted to get him as a GP. He is NOT the first Dr. I have PERSONALLY talked to who said they will NOT practice long if Ocare happens. Two I can recall right now that i had situation to evaluate them. They appeared dang good Dr.s
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