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Old 07-16-2013, 21:14   #26
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It's still .380...who really cares? There are so many SMALL 380's out there to carry if you wanted to.
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Old 07-16-2013, 21:15   #27
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Every time someone mentions 1.) a GLOCK carbine, 2.) a 9mm single-stack GLOCK, or 3.) a USA-legal .380 GLOCK God kills a kitten:

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Won't someone please think of the kittens?
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Old 07-16-2013, 21:30   #28
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Yeah, gonna come out with the carbine or the 1911, too?
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Old 07-16-2013, 23:42   #29
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.380acp...there's a caliber that exudes confidence...not...
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Old 07-17-2013, 00:59   #30
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I'm still waiting for a Glock 7!
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:48   #31
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OK you HAVE heard rumors before, however, I personaly attended the Glock Armorers course last week with over forty other Officers from different Indiana Agencies and both the Instructor and Glock Factory Rep, said.................new products would be out in 2014. They did not say what or when and we all rolled our eyes at them (Bull$#!+), but they did say it.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:37   #32
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That will never happen.

...at least not in this country.
Oh I know it won't.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:06   #33
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Something to compete with khar's pm9/cm9 and pm40/cm40 would be cool.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:14   #34
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:41   #35
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I don't know why the don't just run a batch of 26's through mill, take off 1/4" along the side, and call it a single stack.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:18   #36
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I keep hearing this "not importable" excuse, but I don't believe it. People said they would like a single stack, slim 9mm, but it won't be importable. Why is it that companies like Walther can import something like the Walther PPS? This non-importable excuse is just not acceptable anymore. Look at the single stack Springfield XD, The Beretta Nano, the single stack Sigs. All these other companies can build and sell what Glock owners have been wanting for a lot of years now, from Glock. Mr. Glock needs to get off the new Mrs. Glock and get back to work. Where does it say these are made?
Hmmm. Why would a small 9mm be importable but not a small .380... why would EVERY informed individual ALWAYS and CONSISTENTLY say that... hmmm...

Could be that every informed knowledgable individual added up the points. Or that all the informed knowledgable people are wrong, the people with buddies who know guys are right

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http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/downl...f-f-5330-5.pdf

They'd have to build the .380 with enough "point" features to make up for the caliber. The .380 would have to be larger, or heavier, or etc. than the same gun in 9mm to make up the SEVEN POINT deficit (assuming locked breech, rather than typical blowback. Either deal with those issues (low functional reliability of a locked breech .380) or lose FIVE MORE points for a total of TWELVE).

The resulting gun would not be marketable.


They could make it 3.5" longer.

They could make it with a steel frame.

They could add seven ounces of weight.

They could add a grip AND magazine safety (would need both).

THAT'S IT. Blowback? They'd need to do TWO of the above. Hey, any interest in a single stack .380 Glock that has an 8" barrel and weighs 50% more than a 9mm?

This leaves us with the choice of saying "Oh wow. With GCA '68 in effect, that will never happen" or "Nah, I know a guy who says they are gonna make 'em, EVERYBODY will want one just because it will be so cool to have one".

Or, they could make it in the US, and sell a lower quantity at a lower margin than the models they would take offline. Dumb.

Or they could import it as a 9mm, and sell a barrel/RSA for .380. Might sell, oh... a dozen barrel/RSA kits? Two dozen? 500 if there were a specific GSSF classification for it?

Keep in mind forum vendors could offer a .380 barrel/RSA kit by 5pm tomorrow. Grab a different chamber reamer, specify a different spring wind, buy a caliber stamp. DONE.

-IF- there were any buyers saying "I like my G17/19/26/34, but I wish it were chambered in a more expensive, less powerful round with fewer ammo choices and more felt recoil with the weak RSA necessary to function in a locked breech gun...". No one says that, so no vendor offers it.

We don't have to like the real world, but we gotta live in it.

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Old 07-17-2013, 12:36   #37
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While conceivable that Glock could consider a small single stack 380 there are some things Glock will have to do before that happens.

From a technical standpoint, the polymer Glock currently uses has too much flex in it to make a pistol much smaller than the 26/27 sized pistols. Glock requires their current polymer to size ratio to maintain strength. Think in terms of a sheet of aluminum. A 1/8 inch thick piece is easy to bend, while a 3 inch piece is much harder. That is a simplified analogy, but the concept is the same.

Other manufacturers are using a reinforced polymer, H&K, Ruger, FN, S&W, XD, Kahr, etc etc. Their frames are more rigid which in turn equals a greater strength per ounce of polymer. This has allowed them to manufacture smaller frames while maintaining durability and strength. The other manufacturers above use non polymer coated magazines. This also allows the design of the frames to be smaller and thinner. Until Glock ditches the coated magazines, it will be hard for them to reduce the size of their pistols.

Glock may be able to accomplish it by using a subframe within the polymer, IE S&W, SIG. This could possibly add enough strength and rigidity to their current polymer formula.

The Glock's current iteration has basically reached it maximum design potential without changing something. They can tweak it here and there, but I wouldn't look for anything evolutionary.

This is just my opinion of course, and I am serving a grain of salt with it.

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Old 07-17-2013, 12:53   #38
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While conceivable that Glock could consider a small single stack 380 there are some things Glock will have to do before that happens.

From a technical standpoint, the polymer Glock currently uses has too much flex in it to make a pistol much smaller than the 26/27 sized pistols. Glock requires their current polymer to size ratio to maintain strength. Think in terms of a sheet of aluminum. A 1/8 inch thick piece is easy to bend, while a 3 inch piece is much harder. That is a simplified analogy, but the concept is the same.

Other manufacturers are using a reinforced polymer, H&K, Ruger, FN, S&W, XD, Kahr, etc etc. Their frames are more rigid which in turn equals a greater strength per ounce of polymer. This has allowed them to manufacture smaller frames while maintaining durability and strength. The other manufacturers above use non polymer coated magazines. This also allows the design of the frames to be smaller and thinner. Until Glock ditches the coated magazines, it will be hard for them to reduce the size of their pistols.

Glock may be able to accomplish it by using a subframe within the polymer, IE S&W, SIG. This could possibly add enough strength and rigidity to their current polymer formula.

The Glock's current iteration has basically reached it maximum design potential without changing something. They can tweak it here and there, but I wouldn't look for anything evolutionary.

This is just my opinion of course, and I am serving a grain of salt with it.

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Old 07-17-2013, 17:00   #39
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A Glock rep told me at IALEFI it was a 22lr in the size of a G19. Let's see if that happens.
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Old 07-17-2013, 17:34   #40
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Just give me a Gen 4 G36 with a tactical rail and I'll be happy!!!
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Old 07-17-2013, 21:27   #41
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A Glock rep told me at IALEFI it was a 22lr in the size of a G19.
That would be perfect!!!

Since the G22 is a .40, the G40 really should be a .22!
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:21   #42
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That would be perfect!!!

Since the G22 is a .40, the G40 really should be a .22!
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Old 07-18-2013, 07:28   #43
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I think it would be a waste of their time to come out with a .380 that would compete with the LCP types. A small single stack 9mm, .40 or .45 would be a bigger seller. And until I see it, I doubt it will happen. They've pretty much missed the boat in those markets IMO.
The G36 already is a SS .45ACP.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:41   #44
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I heard a believable rumour today that Glock will announce a single stack compact .380 at the Shot Show 2014. It will be similar in size to the Ruger LCP. Sorry, cannot disclose my source!
Is this a British or Canadian rumor?
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:48   #45
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I think this XDs ad sums it up best.

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Is this a British or Canadian rumor?
I never thought of that... perhaps it is at the "Shotte Shouwe"?
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Old 07-18-2013, 13:20   #47
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That would be perfect!!!

Since the G22 is a .40, the G40 really should be a .22!
A 6-8 oz, 10 shot pocket .22LR.
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This thread is rich!
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Tell me this is a joke. Why would Glock develop an AR15 that uses their magazine. Nothing innovative or new here.
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Old 07-18-2013, 17:25   #50
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Would an FDE gun with an FDE magazine be considered a new product??
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