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Old 09-30-2013, 13:37   #101
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Man, I really want a range rover sport now.

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Old 09-30-2013, 13:39   #102
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Those guys give all bike riders a bad name and they are in serious need of some wall-to-wall counseling.
Well, a few of them got sidewall counseling.
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:39   #103
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The RR drive is far to nice. I would have been actively trying to splatter more of them. At the traffic light I would have been in reverse actively trying to splatter even more.
What they need to do is try that around where I live in front of one of the thousands of jacked-up diesel trucks.

Most are driven by rednecks (use the term in a positive way) that don't take carp from people.

Even my 2wd Silverado would be formidable. I can't go over it but 5.3L of V8 doesn't stop for much when it doesn't want to.

There would be a bunch of greasy spots in the road.
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:40   #104
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If Comrade Zero had a biker...

In all my years of riding, that has to be the saddest bunch of losers I've ever seen. Having totally failed at their attempt to create a rolling road-block--to clear the highway, and thus create space for stunt riding--they then totally fail at riding down and stopping an SUV. Really? What sad little losers, no brains, no skill, just weak, weak, weak... I hope all the bikers in that video do some serious jail time. Only one of them dead is very disheartening. That he/she/it might not be dead at all, is beyond tragic.

That video makes me miss my old KZ-1000. That bike was fan-****ing-tastic at putting vast distance between me, and any pack rat morons I might have encountered. Remember kids: never ride in tight groups with *******s who have no riding skills. It's sad. It's weak. And it's pathetic.
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:41   #105
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Observation on watching the video:

Riding a M/C and behaving like that can leave you tired...
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:42   #106
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Observation on watching the video:

Riding a M/C and behaving like that can leave you tired...
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:47   #107
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That would all be correct, except we have a video of what actually happened. Insurance probably will not pay a dime to the bikers.
Oh don't get me wrong, insurance will fight it and most likely not have to pay anything. I'm just saying that from the start, the range rover would be responsible for all damages. However, when you start going to steps 2, 3, 4, etc., the range rover starts becoming less and less responsible.
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Old 09-30-2013, 13:51   #108
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You know EXACTLY what they are doing. It was in no way, shape or form the SUV drivers fault. There is no reason for him to stop or "brake check" anyone other than trying to be a jackass.


Wrong side of the coin here, chief.

I agree with your post, but mostly I just wanted to say I like your avatar.



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Old 09-30-2013, 13:55   #109
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Clarification input. You are talking about the m/c rider, correct?

I can see that many of them were riding in an aggressive manner.
Yes....especially the one who did the brake check or any sort of cutting off or impeding the vehicle. There was no legit purpose and the intent was to harass.
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:01   #110
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They only stopped and blocked traffic after the range rover rear ended a bike.
And that's just fine with you? What planet are you from?
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These guys were up to something before the RR hit the bike.

I suspect, being they are "stunters" they were trying to shut the road down for their private use.
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:12   #112
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The Range Rover did what any of us would do and rightly so given the circumstances. The only thing I can say in the bikers defense is it looks like the initial brake check bike was accidental. He turns around but it doesn't look like he turns around far enough to see the Rover right behind him. It looks like he was being stupid for the camera. I think the biker was completely distracted by all the fun and excitement and lost perception of how close he was to the Rover. I am at least trying to give him the benefit of doubt.


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Old 09-30-2013, 14:13   #113
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These guys were up to something before the RR hit the bike.

I suspect, being they are "stunters" they were trying to shut the road down for their private use.
Of course they were...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...225817761.html

Notice no license plates on the bikes?
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:15   #114
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Interesting. Is there a citation one could receive for brake checking the vehicle behind them, causing them to hit them? Or would the.following vehicle receive a citation for following too close?
It would be a reckless driving charge here, at the very least, if an officer witnessed it.

Only an idiot could think he could serve over in front of an SUV, jam on his brakes, get hit, and it wouldn't be his fault.
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:17   #115
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And that's just fine with you? What planet are you from?
I was making a statement of what happened. They stopped after the first biker got hit. I never said anything was ok. And I'm from earth. We have many languages on our planet. English being the one I'm using. Learn it and don't make assumptions or put words in my mouth.
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:19   #116
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We all need to go back to the moment the range rover was brake-checked to a stop and inadertantly bumped a bike.

Now what to do?

If one could control fear, I'm not sure driving over a bunch of bikes is the right thing to do. Where you going to drive to? Maybe hope a cop eventually catches up and polices the situation?

Bikers are 100% wrong in this. But what would the best option have been for the RR driver?
Well this guy didn't lock his doors even after the 1st confrontation... problem #1.

Should have had his wife on 911 immediately following the accident. Stop and sit there not doing anything unless they try to break your windows/otherwise enter the vehicle.

If they are surrounding you trying to enter your vehicle then driving over them is definitely the right thing to do. Your other option is to sit there patiently and wait for them to smash your windows and drag you out of the car.

This occurred in NYC, so this guy was denied the right to be armed and defend himself. Most of us would be armed in this situation... that gives you another option. Not sure if it's a better one given that: 1. The bikers might also be armed and 2. My wife and child are in the car.

After they started chasing, I'd have done my best to avoid traffic (stayed on the interstate) and waited for the police to show up.
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It would be a reckless driving charge here, at the very least, if an officer witnessed it.

Only an idiot could think he could serve over in front of an SUV, jam on his brakes, get hit, and it wouldn't be his fault.
Doesn't change the fact that someone has to be held at fault to pay for damages. Who do you think that will be?
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They only stopped and blocked traffic after the range rover rear ended a bike.
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And that's just fine with you? What planet are you from?
The bikes appeared to be running a rolling roadblock that overtook and engulfed the RR. It looks like a bike passed him, cutting very close to him, and got about 10 feet in front of him before hitting the brakes.

The moment the collision occurred is when the roadblock stopped.

I would have also been concerned about the bikes behind and around me, and can understand how challenging it can be to track multiple moving hazards. I think the driver did very well at attempting to avoid a collision, but is no match for a bike when braking.
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Old 09-30-2013, 14:29   #119
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The RR driver had his wife and 2 yr old daughter in the vehicle when the goons started beating on his vehicle, presumably to gain entry and go Reginald Denny on him. Short of ventilating the goons with high velocity lead, he did exactly the right thing to preserve the protection of his family.
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At about 1:40, they had the next on ramp blocked.

I think around 2:30 and 3:30 you can hear a 2 stroke.

The guy at 5:05 and the 2 guys at 6:20 should have been shot.

I bet these guys are pretty upset with the guy filming. lol

If one of them did die, could the rest be charged with murder?
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Doesn't change the fact that someone has to be held at fault to pay for damages. Who do you think that will be?
Motorcyclist....he was in the commission of a crime which caused the collision.
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Doesn't change the fact that someone has to be held at fault to pay for damages. Who do you think that will be?
It certainly WON'T be the Range Rover based upon the video. I can tell you that for a fact.
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Doesn't change the fact that someone has to be held at fault to pay for damages. Who do you think that will be?
Us. The insurance company will pay the actual damages. Even if the thugs are found guilt and ordered to pay, they won't.
Insurance companies will raise the rates of the range rover and all the rest of us to make up their loss.
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It certainly WON'T be the Range Rover based upon the video. I can tell you that for a fact.
How do you know for a fact? I'd bet the insurance company for the rover says "you rear ended someone. That's a fact. End of story" and pay out. I have no idea how it will work with the other bikes he ran over.
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