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Old 10-17-2014, 06:15   #1
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Witness in Ferguson Shooting

Witness testified at secret Grand Jury hearing about the officer who shot unarmed person in Ferguson. Claims he saw event from start to finish.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...88ec79349.html
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:39   #2
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The article won't show up for me, but the video clearly states they didn't see the beginning of the altercation and only looked over after the gunshots began.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:45   #3
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At this point, what truly happened that day doesn't matter one little bit, at least to those who are waiting for an opportunity to loot and riot.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:48   #4
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I'll be working about five miles from Ferguson next week.

I'm hoping that the GJ holds it's decision until after that.

(I will be taking a dark hoodie with me for "disappearing in plain sight", if needed.)
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:54   #5
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The article won't show up for me, but the video clearly states they didn't see the beginning of the altercation and only looked over after the gunshots began.
Among the recollections of the witness, who agreed to an interview on the condition that his name not be used, were:

• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.

• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.

• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.

• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.

He would not detail what he had told the grand jury but said the members seemed fair and asked a lot of questions.



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Old 10-17-2014, 07:30   #6
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At this point, what truly happened that day doesn't matter one little bit, at least to those who are waiting for an opportunity to loot and riot.
and on the other side what truly happened doesn't matter anyway as brown was a "thug".

My opinion is until I've seen all the facts I can't draw any definitive conclusion. My gut tells me it was a justified shooting or at least provoked. I can't say it was a good shoot until I've seen more facts. I view most of the witness statements with skepticism considering how many don't jive with the known facts.

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Old 10-17-2014, 08:17   #7
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At this point, what truly happened that day doesn't matter one little bit, at least to those who are waiting for an opportunity to loot and riot.
If I were Wilson I would almost want to go to trial, have it televised, and have the world watch the case fall apart. So far the case against him isn't clicking.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:23   #8
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If I were Wilson I would almost want to go to trial, have it televised, and have the world watch the case fall apart. So far the case against him isn't clicking.
I dont think you would actually want to be on trial. I dont think you would want to have a felony charge against you.

A trial is a crap shoot. Depending who you get a on jury can greatly affect the outcome.

Lets say for instance that you are tried in that area and you get a jury full of black people. Would you really want to take that gamble?
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How long does it normally take for a Grand jury to review a case and make a decision?

Shooting was August 9TH
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I dont think you would actually want to be on trial. I dont think you would want to have a felony charge against you.

A trial is a crap shoot. Depending who you get a on jury can greatly affect the outcome.

Lets say for instance that you are tried in that area and you get a jury full of black people. Would you really want to take that gamble?
Juries can be swayed by public opinion. Given the coverage, it would be hard to have a fair trial in the St. Louis area. Everyone already thinks they know what happened.
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If I were Wilson I would almost want to go to trial, have it televised, and have the world watch the case fall apart. So far the case against him isn't clicking.
Nope!! I have lost faith in the justice system and the people that wind up on a jury. We saw the case fall apart with Zimmerman and the jury found him not guilty but whos to say that the same will happen in this trial. What will stop a jury from finding Officer Darren Wilson guilty as a way to "stick it to the man" irregardless of the evidence. I remember watching a documentary about the OJ Simpson jury and that is what exactly happened. They came with a not guilty verdict as a means of payback to "the man".
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How long does it normally take for a Grand jury to review a case and make a decision?

Shooting was August 9TH
A grand jury will begin hearing evidence tomorrow in the police shooting death of Ferguson, Missouri, teenager Michael Brown, as violent clashes continued in the St. Louis suburb.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-tomorrow.html

Article dated 19 AUG, so nearly 2 months later and they're still hearing testimony/being presented with evidence.

Can't make a decision until all the evidence has been presented.
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That entire article is redacted, blanked-over in white.

I would imagine someone had second thoughts about the testimony, and didn't want it released.
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That entire article is redacted, blanked-over in white.

I would imagine someone had second thoughts about the testimony, and didn't want it released.
If they wanted it redacted, they would have taken the page down.

If you look, you need to answer a question about one of their advertisers in order to read the article. Mine was about how familiar I was with the Nissan Leaf.
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This witness has been found out to be basically making this up, there was no way he could have witnessed all that from where he was known to have been at the time, plus he's been on social media saying all sorts of stuff that impugns this testimony.
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How long does it normally take for a Grand jury to review a case and make a decision?

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If it's December and 15 degrees, that might cut down on the rioting.

Also, November elections.
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If they wanted it redacted, they would have taken the page down.

If you look, you need to answer a question about one of their advertisers in order to read the article. Mine was about how familiar I was with the Nissan Leaf.
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Nope!! I have lost faith in the justice system and the people that wind up on a jury. We saw the case fall apart with Zimmerman and the jury found him not guilty but whos to say that the same will happen in this trial. What will stop a jury from finding Officer Darren Wilson guilty as a way to "stick it to the man" irregardless of the evidence. I remember watching a documentary about the OJ Simpson jury and that is what exactly happened. They came with a not guilty verdict as a means of payback to "the man".
Juries are very reluctant to convict. That's why DAs hate trials. They have just slightly better than a 50/50 shot of winning. Granted a lot of the wobbly cases go to trial because the weak ones usually get tossed, the strong ones plead out, and so the ones on the fence go to trial.
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Juries are very reluctant to convict. That's why DAs hate trials. They have just slightly better than a 50/50 shot of winning. Granted a lot of the wobbly cases go to trial because the weak ones usually get tossed, the strong ones plead out, and so the ones on the fence go to trial.
And the good news is that it only takes one dissent to result in a 'hung jury'. Local news and events work both ways. There might be some folks who look at the riots and say, "oh, **** no, I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of a conviction!".

The downside to a hung jury is that the prosecution gets to refine their presentation before the second trial. They can interview jurors and find out what they thought was lacking. Of course, the defense lawyers have the same opportunity although the jurors may not be as cooperative if they thought the defendant was actually guilty. Goes both ways, I suppose, depending on the vote.

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