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Old 09-21-2013, 18:54   #26
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I remembered one of the guns magazines test fired the Chinese Dragunov in .308 and the report was that the gun shot sub-MOA. Can't remember which magazine it was since that the event took place in the late 1980s. I think that it was either Firepower or SWAT.
I don't recall the article but I can vouch for the sub MOA groups that the .308 NDM-86 will produce. I got mine years ago and when I tried some Federal Gold Medal Match ammo through it, 3/4 MOA was a common group size I was getting. Nice rifles and while the $1800 I paid for it years ago was a little steep for my tastes back then, it was worth the money for the performance I get out of it and God only know what it would be worth these days!
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Old 09-21-2013, 19:13   #27
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Old 09-21-2013, 19:19   #28
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No, it is completely a dragunov. parts are interchangable.

the PSL is an AK action, the dragunov is its own, similar to the simonov action in the SKS

the psl mag is almost touching the trigger guard, the drag/ndm mag is forward almost 2 inches



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WOW!!! I am sooooooo jealous!

Is that more like the PSL than the Dragunov? I ask because the magazine is close to the trigger guard like the PSL.....and AKs.

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Old 09-22-2013, 07:16   #29
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No, it is completely a dragunov. parts are interchangable.

the PSL is an AK action, the dragunov is its own, similar to the simonov action in the SKS

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Old 09-22-2013, 10:12   #30
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:17   #31
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:52   #32
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I'd love to pick up a nice, early Chinese stamped one day.

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Old 09-22-2013, 11:33   #33
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My only AK I have left is a Polytech Legend and it looks nearly identical to yours... only AK I seem to like! Great photography by the way, I've seen you post that photo before.
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My only AK I have left is a Polytech Legend and it looks nearly identical to yours... only AK I seem to like! Great photography by the way, I've seen you post that photo before.
My Polytech was unfired, until recently. I have no plans to ever sell it, so I loaded it up and had fun with it.

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Interesting, an MAK-90 with an underfolding bayonet? Did you bolt it on there?

When did you buy that?

I bought my Type 56S in 1988 and it has the UF bayo installed at the factory. This is the only thing stamped on the receiver:

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I am told that it's a very early import.

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Old 09-24-2013, 06:03   #36
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Interesting, an MAK-90 with an underfolding bayonet? Did you bolt it on there?

When did you buy that?

I bought my Type 56S in 1988 and it has the UF bayo installed at the factory. This is the only thing stamped on the receiver:

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I am told that it's a very early import.

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Look at the Bayo. He added it.

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Look at the Bayo. He added it.

I could be wrong but, if it came into the country AFTER '89 and WITHOUT an installed bayonet, isn't it illegal to add one?

Doesn't the "M" in MAK-90 stand for MODIFIED?

Just sayin.

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Old 09-24-2013, 12:55   #38
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I could be wrong but, if it came into the country AFTER '89 and WITHOUT an installed bayonet, isn't it illegal to add one?

Doesn't the "M" in MAK-90 stand for MODIFIED?

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Old 09-24-2013, 13:04   #40
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Ok, but what about Ohio, where he lives?

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Old 09-24-2013, 15:57   #41
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I picked this up the other day a Chinese SKS unissued.

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Old 09-24-2013, 18:06   #42
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willieH, that looks a lot like this one that I got at a gun show a few years back:

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Question: Where is the bayonet on yours? I don't even see a lug for one.

What gives?


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willieH, that looks a lot like this one that I got at a gun show a few years back:

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Question: Where is the bayonet on yours? I don't even see a lug for one.

What gives?


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I looked at several used versions complete with bayonet, but preferred this unissued rifle. I'm planing to replace the short stock with something longer and didn't want a bayonet.
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I looked at several used versions complete with bayonet, but preferred this unissued rifle. I'm planing to replace the short stock with something longer and didn't want a bayonet.
Very cool

Are you going to stick with the wood or go synthetic?


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Very cool

Are you going to stick with the wood or go synthetic?


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That is gorgeous!

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It is not illegal to add a bayonet to a rifle.

Here's my de-banned MAK-90 with the Chinese-made, bolt-on, bayonet. That bayonet is specifically made for the Chinese AKs, conforming to the barrel profile and remaining FSB, clamping with bolts and the rear pin on the FSB. The only quirky thing about it is that the gun must have a barrel nut attached (not the slant brake). This will support the bayonet on the front.

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I threaded the barrel at 1/2x28 and installed a custom nut.

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I had to make a custom washer to retain the cleaning rod. You can see it installed in the picture above.

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A few questions about AK 47's...old vs. newer rebuilds

I am looking to get into the AK world.
I have reading about and researching them for a little while now and have a few questions for those of you who know something about them.

I often wondered what made an AK "original" or "correct".
Chinese, Yugo, Russian, etc...
Are the Norinco and Polytech's as real as they get? Or are they a variant that is not as good as or maybe better than the original AK's? Again, what is an "original"?
I have a friend who was bitten by the U.S. Service Rifle bug and that's all he is buying now a days. He has seven AK rifles, all in Norinco and/or Polytech, that he is thinking of selling.

I have been looking at a bunch of the CAI imported PAP, NPAP and OPAP rifles and there are a ton of opinions out there as to which is best. My question is this, are the newer, rebuilds as good as or better than the Norinco or Polytech rifles? Or are the new ones nowhere near those in quality. I have heard that the WASR's may not be the way to go, I don't know.
I read about 1mm vs. 1.6mm thick receivers on the rebuilds and different trunnions on different receivers. What are the older rifles built on? Stamped vs. milled?

Also, is it an issue of quality? Are the Norinco and Polytech's built better or is it just a matter of nostalgia, with the newer rifles actually being built better?

I'm not so sure that a bayo lug is important to me. Another, 45 deg. vs. 90 deg gas blocks? Are there other "must haves" on AK's that I should be looking for?
Long question short, should I be looking at Norinco/Polytech rifles, or the latest rebuilds?

Sorry for the long post.
Thanks for your input.
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I am looking to get into the AK world.
I have reading about and researching them for a little while now and have a few questions for those of you who know something about them.

I often wondered what made an AK "original" or "correct".
Chinese, Yugo, Russian, etc...
Are the Norinco and Polytech's as real as they get? Or are they a variant that is not as good as or maybe better than the original AK's? Again, what is an "original"?
I have a friend who was bitten by the U.S. Service Rifle bug and that's all he is buying now a days. He has seven AK rifles, all in Norinco and/or Polytech, that he is thinking of selling.

I have been looking at a bunch of the CAI imported PAP, NPAP and OPAP rifles and there are a ton of opinions out there as to which is best. My question is this, are the newer, rebuilds as good as or better than the Norinco or Polytech rifles? Or are the new ones nowhere near those in quality. I have heard that the WASR's may not be the way to go, I don't know.
I read about 1mm vs. 1.6mm thick receivers on the rebuilds and different trunnions on different receivers. What are the older rifles built on? Stamped vs. milled?

Also, is it an issue of quality? Are the Norinco and Polytech's built better or is it just a matter of nostalgia, with the newer rifles actually being built better?

I'm not so sure that a bayo lug is important to me. Another, 45 deg. vs. 90 deg gas blocks? Are there other "must haves" on AK's that I should be looking for?
Long question short, should I be looking at Norinco/Polytech rifles, or the latest rebuilds?

Sorry for the long post.
Thanks for your input.

If you are asking "what is the original AK" then the answer is the Russian select fire AK-47 invented by Mikael Kalashnikov in 1947.

As far as "copies" go, the Chinese did it best!!!!!

All these CAI builds are built from parts kits and are NOT always the best quality (although they have gotten better over the years).

My advice: try to buy one of your friend's Norincos. They will NEVER lose value, they will only gain value! If he wants too much I have heard good things about the Yugo PAP rifles and pistols.

Good luck in your search


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