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Old 09-12-2013, 15:07   #1
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If, in your presence, two (or more) people are speaking to each other in another language that you donít understand, are you offended or insulted?

For example, in my department, we have two people from China. At times, when they are engaged in a non-work related conversation, they speak to each in Chinese. We also have a couple of people from Israel, same thing, sometimes they converse in Hebrew.

I have an administrative assistant who is offended when someone converses in something other than English. I donít understand why. I asked her what the problem is and she was a little evasive.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:09   #2
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If, in your presence, two (or more) people are speaking to each other in another language that you donít understand, are you offended or insulted?
No. Don't care.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:11   #3
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I don't care, but it is very rude.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:12   #4
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She's paranoid that they're talking about her, and specifically excluding her from the discussion because they don't like her. On the second point, she's probably right. She's also probably insecure about speaking (probably badly) only one language, and she hates foreigners, but doesn't want to say so.

All of that is a wild-assed guess, based on nearly nothing, as I don't know the lady. It doesn't bother me, so if someone isn't willing to articulate why it bothers them, I don't see why their being bothered should bother me, either.
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If, in your presence, two (or more) people are speaking to each other in another language that you donít understand, are you offended or insulted?

For example, in my department, we have two people from China. At times, when they are engaged in a non-work related conversation, they speak to each in Chinese. We also have a couple of people from Israel, same thing, sometimes they converse in Hebrew.

I have an administrative assistant who is offended when someone converses in something other than English. I donít understand why. I asked her what the problem is and she was a little evasive.
Why should I be offended? Or insulted?

This is America and not France where the frogs have some sort of insecurity complex.

Maybe your secretary was a frenchie?


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Old 09-12-2013, 15:16   #6
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I don't care, but it is very rude.
Dunno, about this. If you and I were posted in Japan, getting by on memorized Japanese, or even if we were fairly fluent, we wouldn't enjoy the opportunity to relax, stop struggling and exchange English at the water cooler? Bear in mind, there are bound to be things that simply don't translate. Ideas not adequately expressible in another language. Try fitting one English word to adequately encapsulate "Jihad" or "maŮana".
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:17   #7
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If, in your presence, two (or more) people are speaking to each other in another language that you donít understand, are you offended or insulted?

For example, in my department, we have two people from China. At times, when they are engaged in a non-work related conversation, they speak to each in Chinese. We also have a couple of people from Israel, same thing, sometimes they converse in Hebrew.

I have an administrative assistant who is offended when someone converses in something other than English. I donít understand why. I asked her what the problem is and she was a little evasive.
If I am engaging them and they talk to each other in a language I do not understand I would consider them to be rude. If I just happen to be near them while they have a private discussion between themselves, no.
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She's paranoid that they're talking about her, and specifically excluding her from the discussion because they don't like her...
I think this may be what the problem is.

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Why should I be offended? Or insulted?

This is America and not France where the frogs have some sort of insecurity complex.

Maybe your secretary was a frenchie?


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I'm not offended or insulted either, that's why I thought her reaction is a little...odd. And no, I don't think she's a frenchie.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:19   #9
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Unless I have something I have a reason to feel guilty about, no.

After all, if someone is speaking to someone else in Navajo, it's probably better I don't know what they are saying...

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Old 09-12-2013, 15:20   #10
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If I am engaging them and they talk to each other in a language I do not understand I would consider them to be rude. If I just happen to be near them while they have a private discussion between themselves, no.
I agree completely.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:21   #11
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I find it rude when I am at Subway and the employees keep talking to each other in another language. If I'm not speaking to them, I don't care. I wouldn't call it offended though. Just like if someone I'm talking to is also talking on the phone.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:27   #12
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At my last job, this fat waste of human flesh woman complained about two Hispanic women speaking Spanish in the break room. It was jealousy because these women were beautiful. She told them to speak english or go back to Mexico. She filed a formal complaint and I was a witness in the other womens counter complaint that she was being racist and insulting them.

I don't give a damn what language you speak if I'm not involved in the convo.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:27   #13
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Couldn't care less. I visit universities for work and students come from all over the world so its nothing new to me. My employer is headquartered in Germany so when company officers come over they're always talking amongst themselves in German and I never worry.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:30   #14
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At least she has the decency to be evasive about her bigotry. That's progress.

First shame that people know you are doing something wrong.

Then guilt because you know.

Finally, STOP DOING IT!

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Old 09-12-2013, 15:31   #15
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A few years ago I was working on a project with a German automation engineering firm for an extended period..

One of the guys once said to me "I know, it is often uncomfortable for you when we discuss in German... you think we're talking about you".

My reply was "what difference does it really make? If we all spoke the same language and you wanted to discuss me, you would do so when I am not present."

In reality, I was lying to him for the sake of work relations.
I was the only non German-speaking person in a group of 8 or so.
We worked closely together for more than a year on a stress-filled, difficult project.
They all spoke English, but for them it was just easier to speak German, especially when dealing with technical issues, for which they prefer their German-language tech-speak.

Often it was very uncomfortable though... And sometimes I knew they were in fact discussing me. I learned just a few German words that enabled me a few clues to the discussion when it was of a personal nature. They had a particular term they used to refer to me rather than use my name, which someone not in our group who was fluent in German told me at one point.

I just had to deal with it... the money was good.


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Old 09-12-2013, 15:32   #16
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Couldn't care less. I visit universities for work and students come from all over the world so its nothing new to me. My employer is headquartered in Germany so when company officers come over they're always talking amongst themselves in German and I never worry.
I agree, it's not something I've ever worried about.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:33   #17
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If you want to talk to me, talk to me in one of the languages I speak. Otherwise, i don't care what you are saying.

Your co-worker is lacking in empathy for people for whom English is NOT their first language. When I am in a country where English is not the primary language, I am generally happy to be able to relax into a conversation where I don't have to expend so much energy to think of the correct grammatical structure, or the right idiom.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:55   #18
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I really don't care when people choose to exclude me from their conversation because when they do most likely I care nothing for them or what they have to say. And if I am not in a conversation with them whatever they are saying is not my business anyway.
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Old 09-12-2013, 15:56   #19
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Here is a little tip for ESL people Ė It is rude in our culture. I know you do not give a flying ****, but it is rude.

When I was a kid, we moved around a lot for my Dadís career and we never spoke English in public to each other in a foreign country. We tried to be polite and fit in.

We were wimpy people I guess. Polite =weak.

I was showing a house I owned to a Chinese couple who while fluent in English started conversing in Mandarin.
So I went around the corner to make a phone call, unnoticed I thought, and soon the man came looking for me enraged I would not let him waste my time.

At a settlement, the lawyer and buyer switched over to Arabic. I immediately just stood up and left. The lawyer was angry too.

Sorry, itís a pet peeve. Just ask first.

I really want to be a nice guy, but people suck.
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I don't care, but it is very rude.
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Old 09-12-2013, 16:14   #21
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i dont really care.

my grandmother was Portuguese, my grandfather irish. i remember when i was little, he'd get pissed off at her when she spoke her native language around him whether it be on the phone, to her sisters in person, trying to teach it to us grandkids. he pretty much made her stop speaking it around him and eventually, all together. upsets me to this day. i would have liked to learn from her.
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If I am not active in a conversation with them then why does it matter. That is stupid to be 'offended'.
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Old 09-12-2013, 16:19   #23
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I don't care, but it is very rude.
If they're not talking to you, how is it rude?
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One of the guys once said to me "I know, it is often uncomfortable for you when we discuss in German... you think we're talking about you".

My reply was "what difference does it really make? If we all spoke the same language and you wanted to discuss me, you would do so when I am not present."
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This is a good way to look at it. With me, I do not care if they are talking about me and it is amusing when they are talking about me in a language I understand.

With me, it is about wasting my time. They are wasting my time just like when people are late for an appointment.
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I find it interesting to listen to people conversing in another language.
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