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Old 09-10-2013, 15:03   #21
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Nice. Thanks.
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Old 09-10-2013, 19:11   #22
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boooo. cabelas told me mv was 1150fps, 50yds 1052fps, 100yds 981fps...so that is prob in a 5" barrel that means a G20 will be going 1130 hopefully. kinda weak, imo.

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Old 09-11-2013, 05:16   #23
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Still stronger than .40. If it looks good I'm okay with it.
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Old 09-11-2013, 11:23   #24
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I firmly believe that full 10mm power is counterproductive for personal defense against humans. It's not going fast enough for TSC to be a significant wounding mechanism and the slower, moderate 10mm velocities are plenty to get good expansion and penetration. The extra velocity of 10mm over .40 S&W does help with a flatter trajectory, which could help in the extremely unlikely situation where you need to use a handgun to defend yourself or others at 100 yards or so.

That's why my personal defense load is a 165 gr Gold Dot at 1,300 fps. That's fast enough to be really flat but the recoil isn't unmanageable and it's nowhere near nookular. I might even back it off to 1,250 or so.

The 165 gr Critical Defense load performed very well with big expansion and adequate penetration, even at a moderate velocity.

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Old 09-11-2013, 16:36   #25
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Tested them out today:

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10m...-test/new/#new
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Old 09-11-2013, 18:30   #26
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Old 09-12-2013, 14:17   #27
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thanks for testing, it will be cool to see what Andrew gets in the gel. I totally agree that full house loading of 10mm is counterproductive to self defense. This is why my carry gun is a Glock 26 with 147gr HST, it penetrates 14 - 14.5" and expands to about .55-.6 through denim.
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Old 09-12-2013, 18:23   #28
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Good choice. My EDC is a G23 loaded with 180 gr Gold Dot. Did you see my 10mm 180 gr HST test?
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Old 09-12-2013, 18:55   #29
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Good choice. My EDC is a G23 loaded with 180 gr Gold Dot. Did you see my 10mm 180 gr HST test?
Yes I saw that, expansion and weight retention were outstanding :D but the two penetration numbers were so far apart. Expanding that much it is basically a 45acp 230gr HST +p which only goes about 13" and it takes a huge amount of velocity and weight to overcome expansion to that size and get much more penetration. i.e. looking at 240gr gold dots from a 44mag, etc. With the case capacity of the 10mm, a 200gr hollowpoint is prob the best eh?
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Old 09-12-2013, 22:35   #30
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I was surprised by the variation in penetration too. I'm no expert but if I were to speculate, I'd guess that one stayed "plugged" by the denim just a little bit longer. It's hard to say and it underscores the importance of proper, scientific testing with a statistically relevant sample size. One or two shots is interesting to us laymen but hardly conclusive.


"Best?" I dunno. What's "better," a Corvette or F-150. Like so many other things, it depends. I carry a 165 gr Gold Dot at 1,300 fps if my main concern is human beans but like I said earlier, the 10mm isn't my EDC, either. I carry a 200 gr XTP hand load at about 1,200 fps for camping where critters may be more of a concern.
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Old 09-19-2013, 19:57   #31
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gelt test any time soon?
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Old 09-19-2013, 23:25   #32
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I have a lot to work through but I think Intercooler might have a couple for testing.
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:38   #33
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I will be watching this one closely, I just bought the .40 Critical Duty for duty carry, I am going to try it out soon to see if I like what it brings to the table. As soon as my Blue Label Glock 20 comes in (I have been on the GT Distributing list since April) I will be carrying it on duty, and I am looking for the perfect duty carry load in 10mm.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:50   #34
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I would recommend a Gold Dot or XTP in 165 or 180 gr and at moderate velocity, but I'm no geographist so don't take my word for it.
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Old 09-20-2013, 22:18   #35
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Spoke with the head ballistic engineer at Hornady (that is how he referred to himself, I don't have a way to confirm it) and he said it would be about 2 months until the specific FBI test information for the 10mm Critical Duty line is published. I'm posting this so people won't need to go bugging them (like I did, haha).

I also confirmed that critical duty and NOT critical defense uses sealed primers. I forgot to ask about TAP FPD (it is an XTP bullet load). Hornady was super easy compared to other companies to speak with.
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Old 09-21-2013, 22:59   #36
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Thank you.
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Old 09-22-2013, 06:14   #37
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I have a couple for you. Do you want me to send them down with the rest?
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Old 09-22-2013, 22:17   #38
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OK, but I'm still way behind.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:19   #39
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Do you take bribes to test these sooner? Lol.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:10   #40
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Lol, I try to do the ones that folks are most interested in so I'm sure this one will go to the front of the line.
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