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Old 09-05-2013, 14:09   #1
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D.C. cops under orders to arrest tourists with empty bullet casings

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Old 09-05-2013, 14:15   #2
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This is why, even though I worked there for years, I refused to live there. I absolutely hate the city government.

I would take a 2 hour flight every Monday morning and then fly back every Thursday even, but it was better than being a resident.
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Old 09-05-2013, 14:24   #3
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It's high time for an armed demonstration on the Capitol steps. A vulgar display of power, if you will.
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Old 09-05-2013, 14:37   #4
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It's not funny at all how the city that the national government resides in is such a mess
Empty casingsreally????
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Old 09-05-2013, 14:40   #5
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They'll arrest you for the same "offense" in Mexico. It's done a lot to cut down on violence there.



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Old 09-05-2013, 14:49   #6
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They should outlaw the spent round, too... Then they could pluck the easy ones out of the ER!
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Old 09-05-2013, 16:18   #7
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Sad, but it's what is voted for every two years.

Stop voting damnocrat.

Not even for dog catcher.

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Old 09-05-2013, 16:20   #8
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Could I get in trouble for mailing a whole box of spent brass to the DC police?
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Old 09-05-2013, 16:34   #9
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How far can stupid be pushed?
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Old 09-05-2013, 16:45   #10
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Under the law, live or empty brass and plastic casings must be carried in a special container and unavailable to drivers. Having one, for example, in a cup holder or ash tray is illegal.

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She told Secrets that the police are "under orders to arrest tourists or other legal gun owners from out of state who wouldn't think to empty brass and plastic from their cars or pockets."

So are snap cap going to be treated the same way? I've never heard of any real ammunition with a plastic casing.
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So are snap cap going to be treated the same way? I've never heard of any real ammunition with a plastic casing.
They many mean shotgun shells. Not sure.
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Old 09-05-2013, 17:05   #12
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I was there last week, had a few live rounds in my range bag (used to carry my clothes from a mud run). My brother had my glock in va while I was in a conference.

Across from my hotel (3 blocks from the WH) a homeless lady was casting spells at passing traffic. I canceled the rest of my stay in dc and booked a hotel in va, used metro to go to the conference. It was not as convenient but dc didn't get my tax dollars.

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Old 09-05-2013, 17:05   #13
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What about bullet necklaces? I've got a 20mm dummy round that would send me straight to G-Bay.


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Old 09-05-2013, 17:13   #14
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How far can stupid be pushed?
Do you really want to plumb those depths, I think the result will be most unsatisfactory.
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Old 09-05-2013, 19:40   #15
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How far can stupid be pushed?
Take a look at what else is going on in DC. You could probably start with the Senate Foreign Relations committee and their vote to strike Syria. Idiocy on an epic level.
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Hurricane Sandy hit just a bit too far North...or it just wasn't big enough to take out all of the trash from NYC to DC.
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Old 09-05-2013, 20:18   #17
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This is just a childish law aimed at gun owners that protest outside the capital. It will have zero effect on crime and they know it.
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Old 09-05-2013, 20:22   #18
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How far can stupid be pushed?
I'll take that challenge.

Whenever gun laws go in our favor (like DC vs Heller), what do we always hear?

"There will be daily gunfights at high noon on the town square and all day Sunday. Blood will run in the streets."

See, if you have daily gunfights, you might have blood in the streets (depending on the gunfighters' skills). But you will have lots of empty casings rolling around.

At the range responsible shooters police their brass so they don't accidentally step on them, ruining them for reloaders or causing us or someone else to slip and fall on them.

But out on the streets most gunfighters just leave their spent brass lying on the ground, often producing a casing/blood mixture even slicker than a banana peel sprayed with WD-40.

City officials don't want to make a dangerous situation worse. And that is just what would happen if they let people come to town with pockets full of empty casings that could end up on the ground causing innocent citizens to slip and fall. On a rainy day there could be so many injuries that they'd run out of ambulances (and the lawyers that chase them).

The wise city rulers in DC had no other choice than to have their police arrest anyone entering their city limits with spent casings. Such wisdom sets an example for the entire country. Besides, what else could they do?
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Old 09-05-2013, 20:29   #19
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Interesting. I assumed they must have defined ammunition in such a way that it included components, in the DC code. Then I looked at the DC Code, here: http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/dccode/ and I don't see anything that allows them to arrest for spent brasss or to consider it ammunition. It is not unlikely that the rabid liberals who come up with police training in DC have stretched the truth past breaking.
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Hmmm. I bought my wife .223 bullet earrings, miniature handcuff earrings, headstamp and primer end, button earrings, I am such a pervert/terrorist.

Didn't get me anywhere.







In Washington, D. C.: Wonder what kind of publicity you would get if you surreptitiously went out at night and dumped a quart of brass cases in an intersection for "fun"? What would the news say the next day?
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Interesting. I assumed they must have defined ammunition in such a way that it included components, in the DC code. Then I looked at the DC Code, here: http://www.lexisnexis.com/hottopics/dccode/ and I don't see anything that allows them to arrest for spent brasss or to consider it ammunition. It is not unlikely that the rabid liberals who come up with police training in DC have stretched the truth past breaking.


§ 7-2501.01. Definitions


As used in this unit the term:

(2) "Ammunition" means cartridge cases, shells, projectiles (including shot), primers, bullets (including restricted pistol bullets), propellant powder, or other devices or materials designed, redesigned, or intended for use in a firearm or destructive device.


§ 7-2506.01. Persons permitted to possess ammunition


(a) No person shall possess ammunition in the District of Columbia unless:

(1) He is a licensed dealer pursuant to subchapter IV of this unit;

(2) He is an officer, agent, or employee of the District of Columbia or the United States of America, on duty and acting within the scope of his duties when possessing such ammunition;

(3) He is the holder of a valid registration certificate for a firearm pursuant to subchapter II of this chapter; except, that no such person shall possess restricted pistol bullets;

(4) He holds an ammunition collector's certificate on September 24, 1976; or

(5) He temporarily possesses ammunition while participating in a firearms training and safety class conducted by a firearms instructor.

(b) No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. For the purposes of this subsection, the term "large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The term "large capacity ammunition feeding device" shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

HISTORY: Sept. 24, 1976, D.C. Law 1-85, title VI, § 601, 23 DCR 2464; Mar. 16, 1978, D.C. Law 2-62, § 2, 24 DCR 5780; Aug. 2, 1983, D.C. Law 5-19, § 4, 30 DCR 3328; Mar. 31, 2009, D.C. Law 17-372, § 3(n), 56 DCR 1365; Sept. 29, 2012, D.C. Law 19-170, § 2(n), 59 DCR 5691.

NOTES:
SECTION REFERENCES. --This section is referenced in § 7-2507.06 and § 7-2508.01.

PRIOR CODIFICATIONS. --1981 Ed., § 6-2361.
1973 Ed., § 6-1861.

EFFECT OF AMENDMENTS. --D.C. Law 17-372 designated subsec. (a); and added subsec. (b).
The 2012 amendment by D.C. Law 19-170 substituted "pursuant to subchapter II of this chapter" for "of the same gauge or caliber as the ammunition he possesses" in (a)(3); added (a)(5); and made a related change.

EMERGENCY LEGISLATION. --For temporary (90 day) amendment of section, see § 2(d) of Second Firearms Control Emergency Amendment Act of 2008 (D.C. Act 17-502, September 16, 2008, 55 DCR 9904).
For temporary (90 day) amendment of section, see § 2(d) of Second Firearms Control Congressional Review Emergency Amendment Act of 2008 (D.C. Act 17-601, December 12, 2008, 56 DCR 9).
For temporary (90 day) amendment of section, see § 3(n) of Firearms Registration Emergency Amendment Act of 2008 (D.C. Act 17-651, January 6, 2009, 56 DCR 911).
For temporary (90 day) amendment of section, see § 2(n) of Firearms Emergency Amendment Act of 2012 (D.C. Act 19-352, May 11, 2012, 59 DCR 5116).
For temporary (90 day) amendment of section, see § 2(n) of the Firearms Amendments Congressional Review Emergency Amendment Act of 2012 (D.C. Act 19-394, July 18, 2012, 59 DCR 8694).
For temporary amendment of (a), see § 2(n) of the Firearms Second Congressional Review Emergency Amendment Act of 2012 (D.C. Act 19-510, October 26, 2012, 59 DCR 12808).

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF LAW 1-85. --For legislative history of D.C. Law 1-85, see Historical and Statutory Notes following § 7-2501.01.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF LAW 2-62. --For legislative history of D.C. Law 2-62, see Historical and Statutory Notes following § 7-2501.01.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF LAW 5-19. --For legislative history of D.C. Law 5-19, see Historical and Statutory Notes following § 7-2501.01.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF LAW 17-372. --For Law 17-372, see notes following § 7-2501.01.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY OF LAW 19-170. --See note to § 7-2501.01.
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Old 09-05-2013, 21:21   #22
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They many mean shotgun shells. Not sure.
Ah yes, thank you. That completely slipped my mind.
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Thanks, Jud325, I was apparently looking at the wrong title of the code.
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Would this SERIOUSLY stand if escalated in the courts??
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Was assigned to the Pentagon a few years back. I didn't even consider Maryland or DC when looking for a place to live. I got an apartment in Arlington. It used to amaze me areas so close geographically could be so far apart as far as basic human freedoms. It really was sad. I remember looking out across the Potomac from my balcony and it reminded me of the time I visited Panmunjom on the DMZ in Korea years ago and looked across the border at North Korea. Only this time it was our Nations capital that I looked upon as an oppressive symbol of freedom. I felt that same moment of despair that I felt that day on the DMZ. Here I sat a free and law abiding man but less than a mile away I would have been considered a felon and arrested thus destroying over 25 years of military service with the possible loss of my home and family. It saddened me and I felt insulted at the time for I have spent my career and two wars so we as a people shouldn't have to fear the tyrants of the world much less fear them in our own capital.

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