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Old 09-11-2013, 06:53   #1
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Terrorists Quiet for a Few Years Now?

I was re-watching Zero-Dark-Thirty last night. And I had a conversation with my Aunt/Mom yesterday about the movie. She didn't like the movie, thought it shouldn't have been made, that it would motivate further terrorist attacks in this country.

I realized that it's been a few years since any Western country has suffered any terrorist attacks......unless I missed or am not remembering an attack?

Since the UBL raid, I cannot think of any terrorist attacks inside a Western country. Maybe the intel gathered at the UBL compound was a treasure trove of info that has served to stop planned attacks? Maybe killing UBL was a stake through the heart of the Command and Control?

What does the hive think about the dearth of terrorist attacks over the last 2-3 years? Am I forgetting an/some attack(s)?

ETA; I didn't realize it's 9/11 until a thread was started.....weird.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:02   #2
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I think even before that raid, we were kicking their butts pretty thoroughly. They're busy fighting on their own ground, and a lot of their funding channels have been destroyed, and their one really successful attack was the exception rather than the rule, and took a massive expenditure of resources and years of planning and prep to pull off.

I would also point out to your Aunt/Mom that the movie won't matter in this context. It doesn't matter to jihadists what movies we make, they don't need more reasons to hate us, and fewer reasons won't help. They're going to hate us as much as people can, and do whatever damage they can manage, until we kill them all. Censoring ourselves to avoid offending them would be as pointless as it would be hypocritical and cowardly.
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Old 09-11-2013, 07:08   #3
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How about the Boston Marathon bombing?

What about that attempted airplane bombing using repurposed printer cartridges?

We have upped our game at interdicting terrorist activity. Unfortunately, we don't tend to advertise our success as doing so will give away sources and methods.

LE agencies get a newletter listing current activities.

There's still plenty of activity.

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I would also point out to your Aunt/Mom that the movie won't matter in this context. It doesn't matter to jihadists what movies we make, they don't need more reasons to hate us, and fewer reasons won't help. They're going to hate us as much as people can, and do whatever damage they can manage, until we kill them all. Censoring ourselves to avoid offending them would be as pointless as it would be hypocritical and cowardly.
I replied with pretty much exactly that.
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How about the Boston Marathon bombing?
Christ, I forgot about that one. However, wouldn't that be viewed as "home-grown", and not over-seas controlled/funded?
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Christ, I forgot about that one. However, wouldn't that be viewed as "home-grown", and not over-seas controlled/funded?
Didn't he go to Chechnya for training? I don't think we have the full story, yet.
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Christ, I forgot about that one. However, wouldn't that be viewed as "home-grown", and not over-seas controlled/funded?
No, I think it's pretty likely they got some training and encouragement in Chechnya. I didn't mention it because, when all said and done, it was pretty lame. Amateur hour, really. Low casualties, crude devices, nowhere near the level of sophistication involved in 9/11. If those two half-wits are the best their side can muster these days, I feel pretty safe.
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President Obama says they have stopped multiple terrorist attacks by spying on our internet and cell phone usage. Maybe he is telling the truth.


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Ben Gahzi ?
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Christ, I forgot about that one. However, wouldn't that be viewed as "home-grown", and not over-seas controlled/funded?
I don't know about "home grown". Both brothers were from elsewhere (Kyrgyzstan and Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, North Caucasus).

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In Libya.

But I doubt we're ever going to really know what happened there. Did much come out in the hearings? Sorry to ask, I haven't really kept up with it.

Ya'll remember the London bus bombings? I always thought something of that level would have happened here.

Oh, there was the attack on the Brittish soldier near his base, where the ****tard muslims that did the attack (running him over and then beheading him?) were shot and caught.
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How about the Boston Marathon bombing?
That was the first thing I thought of.

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I was re-watching Zero-Dark-Thirty last night. And I had a conversation with my Aunt/Mom
I am unclear about this Aunt/Mom. Is your dad married to your sister??
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Maybe they love us now?

Or more likely, our military and intelligence agencies are doing a good job of getting rid of the threat before it gets to us.
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I am unclear about this Aunt/Mom. Is your dad married to your sister??
My Mother died a few days after I was born. So my Aunt, her sister, has served as a surrogate mother all my life.
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If you keep them busy where they're at, they will have less time and attention to plan for stuff over here.

If you leave them alone where they're at, they'll have all the time, attention and resources to plan for stuff over here.

But it's true there are now a lot more AQ inspired terrorists than actual card carrying AQ members controlled by AQ central.
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My Mother died a few days after I was born. So my Aunt, her sister, has served as a surrogate mother all my life.
Ah. Sorry you lost you mom so young.

Forgive my ignorance. I was overthinking it.
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I think the drone attacks have done significant damage to their operations capabilities.
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I'm glad we don't advertise our successes. I don't think the other side is done yet.
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Ah. Sorry you lost you mom so young.

Forgive my ignorance. I was overthinking it.
I try not to discuss such things.....I find it tasteless.

I supposed I should just type "mother".
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I think the drone attacks have done significant damage to their operations capabilities.

That's a great point.

Combine the immense treasure trove of SSE intelligence we must have gotten from the UBL raid, apply drone strikes, and good things happen.

Can you imagine what sort of intel must have come from all of the stuff we grabbed from the UBL compound during the raid?

There was so much stuff, they couldn't grab all of it....they ran out of time.
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That's a great point.

Combine the immense treasure trove of SSE intelligence we must have gotten from the UBL raid, apply drone strikes, and good things happen.

Can you imagine what sort of intel must have come from all of the stuff we grabbed from the UBL compound during the raid?

There was so much stuff, they couldn't grab all of it....they ran out of time.
Yeah, I imagine it also helps that the NSA probably breaks any encryption they can get hold off faster than I can pick a pair of handcuffs, and US Intelegence services spend bribe money like drunken sailors in a Thai bordello, and the whole region is full of people who are quite eager to rat each other out over differences in religion or who killed who's cousin in the last big tribal fight... I think the only reason we didn't have a better hold on them twelve years ago is because there were a lot of threats and they weren't the priority they should have been. They're a priority now, though. How does it feel to finally be taken seriously, guys? JMO
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Yeah, I imagine it also helps that the NSA probably breaks any encryption they can get hold off faster than I can pick a pair of handcuffs, and US Intelegence services spend bribe money like drunken sailors in a Thai bordello, and the whole region is full of people who are quite eager to rat each other out over differences in religion or who killed who's cousin in the last big tribal fight... I think the only reason we didn't have a better hold on them twelve years ago is because there were a lot of threats and they weren't the priority they should have been. They're a priority now, though. How does it feel to finally be taken seriously, guys? JMO
Tribalism, and the strife between sects of the Muslim religion, is their big weakness.

And here's to hoping they stay at each-other's throats for years to come.
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I think the drone attacks have done significant damage to their operations capabilities.
I know there is still debate today over the war in Iraq, but I have talked to several military and intel folks over the years that attribute our successes here in the US at preventing an attack to the sheer number of jihadists, including most of their real talent, that we killed there.

What we are left to mop up here are the untrained third string. Even then, it is easy to see the damage that third stringers can do (Boston).

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I know there is still debate today over the war in Iraq, but I have talked to several military and intel folks over the years that attribute our successes here in the US at preventing an attack to the sheer number of jihadists, including most of their real talent, that we killed there.

What we are left to mop up here are the untrained third string. Even then, it is easy to see the damage that third stringers can do (Boston).

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I believe that is correct. While they are fighting here, they can't spare as many to travel the world and they don't need to. From an insurgent point of view, they have ben able to hit us here and get press. I suspect a lot of what we are doing right now is fighting Iranian/Pakistani proxies (and, maybe, their actual soldiers in some cases).

However, there are 2 other factors: US law enforcement is better at catching them now and the press simply ignores a lot of what is going on. You'd think Afghanistan was over, from what's in the news, but the camps I have lived on have both been attacked since I've been here (3 months) and I have seen reports of a single regional command getting almost 2 attacks per hour in a 24-hour period. Only one of the attacks, on one of the camps, made the news and that's because it was in downtown "green zone" where the press hangs around to maintain quick access to the embassy bar and pool.
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I believe that is correct. While they are fighting here, they can't spare as many to travel the world and they don't need to. From an insurgent point of view, they have ben able to hit us here and get press. I suspect a lot of what we are doing right now is fighting Iranian/Pakistani proxies (and, maybe, their actual soldiers in some cases).

However, there are 2 other factors: US law enforcement is better at catching them now and the press simply ignores a lot of what is going on. You'd think Afghanistan was over, from what's in the news, but the camps I have lived on have both been attacked since I've been here (3 months) and I have seen reports of a single regional command getting almost 2 attacks per hour in a 24-hour period. Only one of the attacks, on one of the camps, made the news and that's because it was in downtown "green zone" where the press hangs around to maintain quick access to the embassy bar and pool.
Do you now how many troops we have left in Afghanistan? Are we reducing the troop levels and getting ready to leave at this point?
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