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Old 09-04-2013, 21:46   #101
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Old 09-04-2013, 21:50   #102
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Not funny...There have been a number of non-uniformed officers shot by other officers. It is a topic discussed constantly in training and briefings. Like I said, not funny, some might consider it very inappropriate.
Forgive me, but I wasn't trying to be funny. Facetious, yes. Funny, no. The idea of disarming people "to protect them", particularly "to protect them from their own LEOs" is grotesque. This guy's opinions about CCW are as grotesque as the idea I facetiously posted. It was an argument, not comedy.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:02   #103
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Forgive me, but I wasn't trying to be funny. Facetious, yes. Funny, no. The idea of disarming people "to protect them", particularly "to protect them from their own LEOs" is grotesque. This guy's opinions about CCW are as grotesque as the idea I facetiously posted. It was an argument, not comedy.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:03   #104
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I'm gonna paraphrase "49 states have a different system but we're not wrong!"

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Old 09-04-2013, 22:04   #105
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Yes. Did you read my previous posts? This guy's agenda and subtext are pretty clear.

ETA: for your convenience, they were numbers 9, 30, 52, 72, 73, 86, 89, 91, and 102.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:13   #106
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I'm gonna paraphrase "49 states have a different system but we're not wrong!"

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Wouldn't that be state's rights in a nutshell?

CA is the only state in the union that allows lane splitting by motorcycles. Are they wrong or are they right?

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Old 09-04-2013, 22:15   #107
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Not funny...There have been a number of non-uniformed officers shot by other officers. It is a topic discussed constantly in training and briefings. Like I said, not funny, some might consider it very inappropriate.
I didn't see him make a joke. It's a valid point.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:17   #108
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Wouldn't that be state's rights in a nutshell?

CA is the only state in the union that allows lane splitting by motorcycles. Are they wrong or are they right?

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Since I support individual rights over States' rights, not an issue for me. Whatever else they've gotten wrong, the USSC was right in extending the umbrella of the bill of rights to include protecting me from Sacramento. Lane splitting being, in my view, neither constitutionally protected, nor in fact a right, I'd say it falls, under Amendment 10, to the State of California.

ETA: If you feel otherwise, I assume that means you think an individual State can pass any anti-gun law they like, and there is no Constitutional protection from it? In which case, better throw out Heller.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:19   #109
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I didn't see him make a joke. It's a valid point.
Thanks. The distinction between facetious and humorous can be a narrow line. Glad someone got what I was saying.
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Old 09-04-2013, 22:43   #110
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Chicago top cop says they'll shoot ccw carriers

Ok, so Iv'e been one of those who were a little miffed with the ccw carriers open carrying to bring on attention. Now where I live if you have a ccw you may also carry open loaded, so my question to the chicago leo is if he or one of his troops see's one of these forward showfel open carriers do they just shoot the people on site or do they have to contend with this possibility in Chicago. This is why I think concealed is the most prudent form of carry. Out of sight, out of mind. Let someone else draw attention to themselves and I will use that extra time to either (exit stage left even) or at least give me an extra second or two to make a better response to whats goin on. FLY LOW AND KEEP THE SUN IN THEIR EYES
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Old 09-04-2013, 23:02   #111
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Wouldn't that be state's rights in a nutshell?

CA is the only state in the union that allows lane splitting by motorcycles. Are they wrong or are they right?

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Right to bear arms > right to not have a motorcycle split between your lane and the one next to you

Personally, I think lane splitting is silly, but hey, I don't have a motorcycle, street bike experience, or a motorcycle endorsement on my license, I haven't done it. And I don't live in California, and haven't been exposed to it.

And, state governments can't ignore the constitution.

Traffic privileges and gun rights are not in the same ball park.


Now, in case you're wondering, I understand the sentiment that police responding to a shooting can't see the invisible halo over your head, and you shouldn't be stupid.


But I can't help but feel "rubbed the wrong way" by this guy's tone. I don't get the sense this guy is genuinely concerned about people's safety.

I see this guy as thinking Illinois is smarter than 49 other states for violating people's rights.
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Old 09-04-2013, 23:06   #112
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Ok, so Iv'e been one of those who were a little miffed with the ccw carriers open carrying to bring on attention. Now where I live if you have a ccw you may also carry open loaded, so my question to the chicago leo is if he or one of his troops see's one of these forward showfel open carriers do they just shoot the people on site or do they have to contend with this possibility in Chicago. This is why I think concealed is the most prudent form of carry. Out of sight, out of mind. Let someone else draw attention to themselves and I will use that extra time to either (exit stage left even) or at least give me an extra second or two to make a better response to whats goin on. FLY LOW AND KEEP THE SUN IN THEIR EYES
Open carry actually has nothing to do with this discussion, as it remains illegal in IL, even when the CCW law is fully in effect. So if a Chicago PD (or any other PD, or county deputy sheriff, or state trooper) were to see someone open carrying, that person would NOT be shot on sight, but would almost certainly be arrested. And if they reached for their gun in the course of the arrest, they'd be taking their life in their own hands, not the cops.

Bringing up Open Carry holds no purpose that I can see on this topic. It wouldn't prevent (or change) anything.
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In my spare time, I have studied Chicago politics, corruption, and anti-Liberty platforms concerning firearms and legally CCWs for almost a decade now. I'm also pretty good a deciphering veiled threats.

You take it anyway you believe is the correct way to do so seeing how it is coming from a Chicago official. I have.
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Glad to have an indication someone is reading my posts. They don't seem to be getting answered by any of this guy's defenders.
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Old 09-05-2013, 13:31   #117
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Right to bear arms > right to not have a motorcycle split between your lane and the one next to you

Personally, I think lane splitting is silly, but hey, I don't have a motorcycle, street bike experience, or a motorcycle endorsement on my license, I haven't done it. And I don't live in California, and haven't been exposed to it.

And, state governments can't ignore the constitution.

Traffic privileges and gun rights are not in the same ball park.


Now, in case you're wondering, I understand the sentiment that police responding to a shooting can't see the invisible halo over your head, and you shouldn't be stupid.


But I can't help but feel "rubbed the wrong way" by this guy's tone. I don't get the sense this guy is genuinely concerned about people's safety.

I see this guy as thinking Illinois is smarter than 49 other states for violating people's rights.
USSC did say that reasonable restrictions could be placed on the right to carry firearms.

Or do you think you have the constitutional right to carry a firearm everywhere?
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This is going to play REAL well in court the first time a CCW carrier gets shot by a cop...
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I would take my chances with a CCW in Chicago. The tool acts like CCW holders are just walking around with guns in their hands. Idiot.
People in Chicago conceal things, by having it in their hands, because they are stupid!
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USSC did say that reasonable restrictions could be placed on the right to carry firearms.

Or do you think you have the constitutional right to carry a firearm everywhere?
Yes, they did; however they did not say what "reasonable" is. My definition is that they can restrict carrying in the secured areas of Jails and prisons. Maybe the secured areas of a courthouse. I would consider it for where they would take responsibility and liability for protecting me.

Private property not open to the public, seems reasonable if the owners are liable for my safety.
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