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Old 09-03-2013, 21:56   #51
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Old 09-03-2013, 22:46   #52
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Just as I suspected, OP was disingenuous at best.


“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

The first half is the typical anti gun nonsense. The second half is the meat and potatoes- I'd expect all of the LEOs I work with to use force if necessary, even against a CCW holder.

Shoot, have at it. Every state should be shall issue and most folks I've come into contact with the novelty wears off after a few weeks/months of having a permit.




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Yeah, not being an idiot, when the PD rolls up I'm likely to drop my gun like it was burning my hand. That said, though, this guy's bias comes through loud and clear. He's not warning against this event, he's hoping for it! The guy hates the idea of armed citizens, and can only envision them being at odds with LEOs, he cannot imagine a world in which we might actually be on the same side. JMO.
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Old 09-03-2013, 23:08   #53
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Yeah, not being an idiot, when the PD rolls up I'm likely to drop my gun like it was burning my hand. That said, though, this guy's bias comes through loud and clear. He's not warning against this event, he's hoping for it! The guy hates the idea of armed citizens, and can only envision them being at odds with LEOs, he cannot imagine a world in which we might actually be on the same side. JMO.
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Old 09-03-2013, 23:35   #54
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Old 09-04-2013, 03:46   #55
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What he said was, if you face a cop with a gun in your hand, you'll get shot. I would expect that to happen anywhere.
Really.

"So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. "

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Old 09-04-2013, 04:04   #56
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Just as I suspected, OP was disingenuous at best.


“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

The first half is the typical anti gun nonsense. The second half is the meat and potatoes- I'd expect all of the LEOs I work with to use force if necessary, even against a CCW holder.

Shoot, have at it. Every state should be shall issue and most folks I've come into contact with the novelty wears off after a few weeks/months of having a permit.




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Thanks. I should have read it before commenting, rather than taking what the GT nuts said, at face value.

In my defense, it takes a long time for outside pages to open on my internet connection (here, I pay $90 a month for iinternet access that is so slow youtube videos won't play at all). So I don't always read the real article.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:05   #57
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Really.

"So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. "
Yes, really. That's the training every officer in every state gets. It is certainly the training I give them, in Kentucky, and we are about the most gun friendly state in the US.
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Gets the feeble minds enraged when they think cops are gunning CCW holders down...


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They'll be back, on the next thread.

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Old 09-04-2013, 10:44   #62
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:18   #63
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The title is inflammatory. However, so is what the police superintendent said. He could just as easily have said, with more cell phones on the streets more people will be shot by police. He clearly says that they sometimes shoot people reaching for cellphones. The reality is that in spite of the many "the streets will run with blood" warnings from police administrators over the years, it just hasn't happened. Now maybe he is correct, and the people and/or the police in Chicago are less competent than in the rest of the country and they will be shooting concealed carry lincense holders right and left, because the Chicago License holders will more likely to point their concealed weapons at the police than anywhere else in the country.

He clearly doesn't like the change in law, and does not want people to carry. He is saying this obvious point (point a gun at a police officer and you will get shot) to discourage concealed carry. Heck, he believes that if you point a cellphone at one of his officers, you could get shot too.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:20   #64
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I guess I don't get the problem with what he said.

I don't LIKE the guy, don't like his general 'view' of things, but I also don't see that he said anything wrong.



So, he thinks there will be more shootings with more guns. Well, I'd guess that's possible. My hope is they would be more LEGAL self-defense shootings and less law-abiding-victims.


He also is concerned someone who is armed and defended themselves might find themselves in a meeting with the police, victim/self-defender turns unwittingly pointing their gun at the cop and gets shot ---- or worse is just shot by accident... also possible.


I didn't take from his statements that they would be shooting CCW holders like it's a new sport or even out of spite or given less consideration than anyone else... just being a drama queen.


Though, maybe not as much a drama-queen as some of those who are off-quoting him.

What do I know, though...
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What he said was, if you face a cop with a gun in your hand, you'll get shot. I would expect that to happen anywhere.
No, what he said was his cops are so ill-prepared for their jobs that he expects them to shoot unarmed people some of the time and that his cops will shoot even more innocent people who happen to be holding a gun.
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It's called suicide by cop if you do it intentionally. If you do it unintentionally it's called stupid, tragic, unfortunate etc. Muzzle a cop in Florida and you'll likely get just as dead as if in Chicago. Don't muzzle me either for that matter. At 1240fps it doesn't give me much time to inquire of your intentions. He'll, don't muzzle anyone and you likely won't have an unfortunate reaction from the other end.
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:35   #67
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No, what he said was his cops are so ill-prepared for their jobs that he expects them to shoot unarmed people some of the time and that his cops will shoot even more innocent people who happen to be holding a gun.
Please indicate where he said that, especially about the unarmed people. Or maybe that's your interpretation of what you wanted him to say?

“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.” -

Put yourself in these shoes; you decide to take some action against a guy who just robbed a liquor store and he turns to you with a gun in his hand. It's too late now to back out and go quietly away so what's your only option? Well there is three, hope he doesn't shoot you, hope he gives up, or you shoot him. Same thing an officer faces, only most won't wait to see if the first two options pan out.
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:42   #68
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Cops will shoot anyone with a gun/weapon or looks or appears like they have a weapon or makes an offensive or defensive move or make a sound that that would indicate some such move. So expect this. Knowing this fact may save your life if you maintain high situational awareness and act accordingly. Many of the "innocent" cop shootings I have researched would have been prevented if the gun holder simply believed that they would be shot. Yes cops do shoot good guys often. We hear of this on a regular ongoing basis. Cops also die often so we really cannot fault them for being trigger happy.
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It sounded to me like a veiled threat. "If yous guys wanna carry a concealed weapon, you may end up getting shot by the police." It was meant to intimidate the citizenry to think twice about arming themselves in public.. That's my take on it, though I would like to see a video of his statement... to catch the inference in his voice.
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The exercise of bias and arrogance of ignorance are well displayed here.

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extremely misleading title. shame on you OP.

i dont agree with what that officer said about gun violence, but i would expect to possibly get shot if i were handling my pistol in public.

if i did ever have to draw in public, id do my best to make sure dispatch had my description and if possible, be holstered by the time LEO got there.
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Please indicate where he said that, especially about the unarmed people. Or maybe that's your interpretation of what you wanted him to say?

“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.” -

Put yourself in these shoes; you decide to take some action against a guy who just robbed a liquor store and he turns to you with a gun in his hand. It's too late now to back out and go quietly away so what's your only option? Well there is three, hope he doesn't shoot you, hope he gives up, or you shoot him. Same thing an officer faces, only most won't wait to see if the first two options pan out.

You, and several others, only read the first half of the statement. Here's the second blurb, lower in the article.

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“You say concealed carry I say Trayvon Martin. Police officers make mistakes all the time,” McCarthy said. “We spend six months in the police academy, six months of field training and ongoing training on a regular basis and the fact is once in a while we’re going to shoot someone with a cellphone; we’re going to shoot somebody with a flashlight and none of that is okay. But now you take John Q. Civilian, you give them six weeks or 10 weeks of training and you say ‘have at it?’ The fact is more guns are not the solution to the firearm gun violence problem in this country. Less guns and reasonable gun laws are. And just because it’s 49 states to one doesn’t mean the state of Illinois is wrong on that one.” - See more at: http://gunsnfreedom.com/chicago-poli....fyycHH2K.dpuf
Can I get a retraction from some posters defending this ass-hat about my lack of reading comprehension and the dissipation of my outrage? Didn't answer immediately 'cause I had other stuff to do.

ETA: I agree the title of the thread was overly dramatic, most on GT are. But nobody I've seen posting on this thread sounded anti-LEO, just anti-this-idiot-politician.
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Those tragic accidents happen around here all the time.

Typical scare tactics which is exactly the opposite of what is needed.

He's still a tool as far as I'm concerned.

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