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Old 08-27-2013, 17:25   #76
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I've never had a badge, but have been in harm's way. I'm trying to understand why they fired into the boat so many times, when no one was shooting at them.
Well, I guess no one felt like walking up to the boat and conversing

"Excuse me Mr. Terrorist, but these guys here are wondering, since you have used bombs recently, and are emulating an extremist bomber, if you might happen to have a couple of bombs left or might be wearing a suicide vest. Oh and it would be handy for them to know if you have a gun with you, maybe from shooting the campus officer, or the earlier shoot out, and if you do could you give me an estimate of the rounds you have left?".

We need more volunteers in this world to do things like that especially if they feel so strongly that the people that do handle those situations are doing it wrong.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:25   #77
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Not so many that you are shooting at each other;

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013...zIN/story.html

From the article:

"Authorities are investigating whether an MBTA Transit Police officer wounded during the shoot-out with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was hit by friendly fire, State Police spokesman David Procopio confirmed Thursday".

Going prone is a normal reaction to fire.
So how many is that?
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:26   #78
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Another one comes out of the woodwork.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:27   #79
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The military would have just tossed a couple of frags into the boat. Or like Saddam's sons, got a building collapsed on them when TOW missiles were fired at the house.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:28   #80
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Well, I guess no one felt like walking up to the boat and conversing

"Excuse me Mr. Terrorist, but these guys here are wondering, since you have used bombs recently, and are emulating an extremist bomber, if you might happen to have a couple of bombs left or might be wearing a suicide vest. Oh and it would be handy for them to know if you have a gun with you, maybe from shooting the campus officer, or the earlier shoot out, and if you do could you give me an estimate of the rounds you have left?".

We need more volunteers in this world to do things like that especially if they feel so strongly that the people that do handle those situations are doing it wrong.
Ok, so they saw the suspect on the FLIR, surrounded the boat, then just started shooting it up? That's what you're going with?
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:31   #81
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... and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. ...... The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and ...
How many of these "many" people felt their rights were violated have filed complaints and/or law suits?

How many police officers would be an appropriate number in your opinion? Have you ever particpated in an arrest/perimeter/search in a civilian law enforcement capacity? If so kindly share your qualifications.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:32   #82
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What did the Feds lie about WRT Katrina?
My understanding was that the city government ordered the confiscation, were sued by the NRA, and ordered by the court to return the weapons. If the Feds ordered the confiscations, why only in NO? Why not all affected areas of Louisiana and Mississippi?

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So there was no one from FEMA and Fed LE that ordered it? It's pretty easy to blame the city govt. Heck some of the local LE weren't even around. I seem to remember the Feds recently blaming a B grade movie too. But let us say you are right, the bottom line in NOLA was that LE did confiscate arms from law abiding civilians trying to protect themselves.

I'll say it again, if they did that, I find it very easy to believe that LE (be they city, county, state, or Feds) would search a home without a warrant or permission for the terrorist AND that is wrong. As for evidence of it, do we really think there can't be a cover up? I mean the inital accounts out of NOLA were that there were 0 guns confiscated and then a whole bunch of them were found rusting away in barrels months later.

As I stated earlier, I wasn't there so I don't know but many infringements have been made on citizens in the name of stopping terrorism. The recent NSA debacle is a prime example.

How many police are enough in a manhunt? I dunno but I have seen enough of stepping on each other's wangs and that was looking for a felon not an active terrorist. Throw in all the agencies and the increase in a cluster ******* is multiplied tenfold. Oh, and once again, a civilian found the terrorist despite all the boots on the ground.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:34   #83
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Ok, so they saw the suspect on the FLIR, surrounded the boat, then just started shooting it up? That's what you're going with?
I always go with what works.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:38   #84
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Ok, so they saw the suspect on the FLIR, surrounded the boat, then just started shooting it up? That's what you're going with?
With your admitted level of ignorance you should be reading, only.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:42   #85
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With your admitted level of ignorance you should be reading, only.

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Hey little buddy! I was hoping you'd come back. Get that knot out of your panties?

Please enlighten me!

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Old 08-27-2013, 17:50   #86
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You don't know enough to be enlightened.

You don't even know enough to "know what you don't know".

Your bias gets in the way.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:58   #87
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You don't know enough to be enlightened.

You don't even know enough to "know what you don't know".

Your bias gets in the way.

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Take a deep breath. Why are you getting all hot and bothered? Why don't you explain how it went down, since you've done the job and all? Lot's of bark, not much bite.
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Old 08-27-2013, 18:00   #88
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Your bias gets in the way.
I'm afraid that's what might be coloring your opinion TBO. Are you being objective in your defense of the tactics? Is your emotional connection to the job causing you to feel that way?

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Old 08-27-2013, 18:03   #89
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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
Wow. Just wow.
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Old 08-27-2013, 18:07   #90
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I'm afraid that's what might be coloring your opinion TBO. Are you being objective in your defense of the tactics? Is your emotional connection to the job causing you to feel that way?
You've heard no "defense of the tactics" from me, that's just your bias and your projection.

All you've heard me do is point out that you are (once again) talking about things you know nothing about, and putting forth hard opinions on the same.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Old 08-27-2013, 18:09   #91
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You've heard no "defense of the tactics" from me, that's just your bias and your projection.

All you've heard me do is point out that you are (once again) talking about things you know nothing about, and putting forth hard opinions on the same.

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What things would those be?
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Show the actions were illegal or outside of policy.
Show your work.

You can't, so it's just your butt hurt bias.

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You ignored this before, because of your ignorance of the topic, yet you still feel free to comment/opinion on how things were done.

Be honest enough that if you can't answer (honestly/logically/factually) to this, you don't belong offering comment.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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What things would those be?
-The Boston Bombing

-Law regarding Use of Force/Use of Deadly Force

-Facts as related to the above

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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You've heard no "defense of the tactics" from me, that's just your bias and your projection.
So you agree with my assessment of overkill! I never would have thought we would agree on anything.
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-The Boston Bombing

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What do I have wrong about Urban Shield II?

Well versed in the legal escalation of force.

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What do I have wrong about Urban Shield II?

Well versed in the legal escalation of force.

Please outline the law on use of deadly force.

That is more than enough for now.

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Old 08-27-2013, 18:25   #97
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Please outline the law on use of deadly force.

That is more than enough for now.

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For which jurisdiction? If there is only one law on it, I guess I missed the consolidation.

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Well, the incident you've been posting about is Boston Massachusetts...

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Old 08-27-2013, 18:32   #99
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I'm not going to Google it and give you a canned answer. But we'll just go with you are justified using it to stop a felony and/or to defend life, limb, or eyesight. I can go more in depth if you'd like but we all know what's up.
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For which jurisdiction? If there is only one law on it, I guess I missed the consolidation.
You seem to be dodging questions very poorly. The physical jurisdiction is, pretty obviously, Boston and the law that applies is, concurrently, federal/constitutional, state and department policy, the same as with every action the police take, every day. It's not that hard - I believe he asked you what laws or policies were violated, 4th Amendment, state use of force statutes, etc.

Look, I just gave you the answer to the question in #96.
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