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Old 08-27-2013, 15:38   #51
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Is that why they fired into the boat over 100 times when the suspect was unarmed? To set off his bombs?
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Way too many and I'm guessing, flatten himself into the floor.
Reconnaissance by fire. Searching Fire. The use of those types of 'military' tactics in the Boston case was justified.
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Old 08-27-2013, 15:39   #52
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Reconnaissance by fire.
Harassment & Interdiction.
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Old 08-27-2013, 15:51   #53
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Reconnaissance by fire. Searching Fire. The use of those types of 'military' tactics in the Boston case was justified.
No it wasn't. Boston is not a war zone. Those tactics are not very professional to use in a neighborhood, if that is what they were doing.

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Old 08-27-2013, 15:54   #54
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The butthurt is strong in you.

Untwist your knickers, think objectively. Care to qualify your overly emotional response?
Let's see here,

It happened

It's over

You don't like it

You have no experience one way or the other in such matters

You have no experience in this situation except what you are fed by other people that don't like it.

The people of Boston are not up in arms about it and there is no gratification there for you.

I would say you are flaunting your butthurt.
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Old 08-27-2013, 16:05   #55
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Reconnaissance by fire. Searching Fire. The use of those types of 'military' tactics in the Boston case was justified.
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No it wasn't. Boston is not a war zone. Those tactics are not very professional to use in a neighborhood, if that is what they were doing.
I would have been shooting into the boat hoping to kill him. In many states, specifically the state law of Georgia, I am authorized to use deadly force to apprehend an escaping forcible felony suspect who is reasonably believed to be armed and dangerous. I do not have to wait until it is a self defense situation. Had this happened in GA he likely would have been shot on sight and that may have been the same tactic uses in Boston.

However, that would not be very 'professional' to some of the arm chair QB's.

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Old 08-27-2013, 16:10   #56
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Old 08-27-2013, 16:15   #57
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From a LEO perspective:

OP, where were you when the manhunt occurred? My guess is no where close to the greater Boston area. I also guess that you don't know anything about law enforcement. Why don't you go apply, and willingly take a sworn oath to lay down your life to protect a community or even a state full of strangers? I fully support what the LEOs did in Boston and I am damn proud of them for catching the SOB that killed and wounded innocent American citizens.

Police work is not always unicorns and rainbows and it always involves pissing off one group of people or another. You can't make everybody happy all of the time.

OP, I ask you if you would have thought the police actions were appropriate if one of the people blown to hell by a bomb was a family member of your's?

Lastly, there has been no hard evidence that I have seen to lead me to believe that any mis conduct occurred on the part of law enforcement.
LEO do not have protect or help anyone by law .
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Way too many and I'm guessing, flatten himself into the floor.
How many would be enough for you?

How do you know he flattened himself on the floor?
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Old 08-27-2013, 16:25   #59
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....but we do and routinely are injured or killed doing it. I guess those Boston cops missed the memo that said they really didn't need to put it all on the line to find a couple of bombers.

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Old 08-27-2013, 16:27   #60
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I think a better question would be how many GT members were actively rooting for the bombers during the manhunt?

Anyone willing to admit to this?
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Old 08-27-2013, 16:41   #61
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I would have been shooting into the boat hoping to kill him. In many states, specifically the state law of Georgia, I am authorized to use deadly force to apprehend an escaping forcible felony suspect who is reasonably believed to be armed and dangerous. I do not have to wait until it is a self defense situation. Had this happened in GA he likely would have been shot on sight and that may have been the same tactic uses in Boston.

However, that would not be very 'professional' to some of the arm chair QB's.
Escaping, I'm guessing is the key word. The suspect was contained.
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How many would be enough for you?

How do you know he flattened himself on the floor?
Not so many that you are shooting at each other;

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013...zIN/story.html

From the article:

"Authorities are investigating whether an MBTA Transit Police officer wounded during the shoot-out with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was hit by friendly fire, State Police spokesman David Procopio confirmed Thursday".

Going prone is a normal reaction to fire.
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Escaping, I'm guessing is the key word. The suspect was contained.
A reasonable person said he was still in the process of attempting escape, he certainly had not surrendered.
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A reasonable person said he was still in the process of attempting escape, he certainly had not surrendered.
No he hadn't surrendered yet, but he was not "escaping" anywhere.
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A reasonable person said he was still in the process of attempting escape, he certainly had not surrendered.
Who is this reasonable person?
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No he hadn't surrendered yet, but he was not "escaping" anywhere.
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Who is this reasonable person?
Go outside...they would be all around you. Technically they don't have to be escaping, it is authorized to apprehend.

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Go outside...they would be all around you.
I don't want to get shot for trying to escape from my house.

But who is the reasonable person that gave the order?

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Old 08-27-2013, 17:01   #68
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Not so many that you are shooting at each other;

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013...zIN/story.html

From the article:

"Authorities are investigating whether an MBTA Transit Police officer wounded during the shoot-out with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was hit by friendly fire, State Police spokesman David Procopio confirmed Thursday".

Going prone is a normal reaction to fire.
Two different incidents.

Friendly fire is a terrible thing, but it happens, even among highly trained individuals (Pat Tillman was a Ranger, right?). Anytime you put people in harm's way, whether in combat in Afghanistan, or chasing an armed suspect down a dark alley, there is a risk of encountering the Fog of War( or the equivalent law enforcement terminology- to keep this on track).



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Two different incidents.
Same case.
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But who is the reasonable person that gave the order?
My guess is every person behind a badge in harms way trying to stop a murderer before he killed again.

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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
I'd think that they'd be a little more daft than to do something like that, unless you're straight up being sarcastic.
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:16   #73
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My guess is every person behind a badge in harms way.
I've never had a badge, but have been in harm's way. I'm trying to understand why they fired into the boat so many times, when no one was shooting at them.
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My guess is every person behind a badge in harms way trying to stop a murderer before he killed again.
Who was he going to kill? The fish in the bait cooler?
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I've never had a badge, but have been in harm's way. I'm trying to understand why they fired into the boat so many times, when no one was shooting at them.

Like I told you before, I would have been trying to kill him. I would not have strolled up and knocked on the hull to see what his intentions were. He was armed and a danger to the community and until he surrendered he maintained that status which made deadly force an option.

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Who was he going to kill? The fish in the bait cooler?
Yeah....who could that cuddly bomber hurt?

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