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Old 08-27-2013, 11:43   #26
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
There is no need to stretch the truth, there was what was called a "lockdown" and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. No, was not accepted as refusal to have your home searched. Although compliance with the request to stay in was voluntary, the way it was announced and reported ( they called it an ORDER) did not give that impression, and because it hadn't happened before people thought they would be arrested if out on the road without proper reason.
The "shelter in place" order covered a hugh area while they searched an area of Watertown ( a boston suburb) where bomber #2 was last seen. They didn't even search the yard where the bomber was hiding all the time. The home owner called the cops when he saw blood on the boat in his yard when he came out of his home after the order was lifted.
All in all the shelter in place order did not need to be placed on such a large area. And yes, they caught the suspect but that doesn't mean it was all good police work. Anyone watching the report of the manhunt in Watertown could see there was a lot done wrong. The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and some very sloppy gun handling.

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:18   #27
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To the majority of Americans, The end justifies the means.

As long as the bomber is caught, who cares what rights are trampled on? Who cares if a militarized LE forcibly searches your property? If you ain't got nothin' to hide ...

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:57   #28
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
This. There was more of a lockdown for the snowstorm in Febbuhrarry than the manhunt. During that, you could be charged for driving around.

(We don't have big cattle gates to put across our highways like they do in CO. In fact, aren't interstates on lockdown then?????)


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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:00   #29
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Awwww, jeez.

Search function down again?
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:02   #30
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Btw - whose family got blown to bits days before has no bearing on this situation.
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:06   #31
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I dunno, I wasn't there. Were you? I live in the Lone Star State but I also know the Feds lied about confiscating guns in NOLA during Katrina. They also screwed the pooch at Ruby Ridge and Waco so I find it real easy to believe LE would search a home without permission in violation of the Constitution. .
What did the Feds lie about WRT Katrina?
My understanding was that the city government ordered the confiscation, were sued by the NRA, and ordered by the court to return the weapons. If the Feds ordered the confiscations, why only in NO? Why not all affected areas of Louisiana and Mississippi?

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Old 08-27-2013, 13:08   #32
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Btw - whose family got blown to bits days before has no bearing on this situation.
You are right. It was merely the beginning. What mattered was the continued actions of the suspects during the manhunt that showed they were still an active and ongoing threat to the safety of the public.
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:20   #33
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Yes exactly. previously had bombs thrown at them that failed to detonate.

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Really?!? That SOP? Just unload on the boat, in the hopes of setting off the explosives?
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:22   #34
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How many officers were there and what movements did the suspect make during the time of the shots?
Way too many and I'm guessing, flatten himself into the floor.
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:25   #35
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OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
Well Bren, does calling it "Shelter In Place", justify it?
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Old 08-27-2013, 13:40   #36
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There is no need to stretch the truth, there was what was called a "lockdown" and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. No, was not accepted as refusal to have your home searched. Although compliance with the request to stay in was voluntary, the way it was announced and reported ( they called it an ORDER) did not give that impression, and because it hadn't happened before people thought they would be arrested if out on the road without proper reason.
The "shelter in place" order covered a hugh area while they searched an area of Watertown ( a boston suburb) where bomber #2 was last seen. They didn't even search the yard where the bomber was hiding all the time. The home owner called the cops when he saw blood on the boat in his yard when he came out of his home after the order was lifted.
All in all the shelter in place order did not need to be placed on such a large area. And yes, they caught the suspect but that doesn't mean it was all good police work. Anyone watching the report of the manhunt in Watertown could see there was a lot done wrong. The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and some very sloppy gun handling.
I recall the first interview with the guy who owned the boat, done by a local station and picked up by a network. I seem to remember him saying that they had searched the yard and looked in the boat earlier and he said he told the dispatcher "You had better have them come back"
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Ok, so far we have had a lot of responses, and only one from someone that was in the Boston area at the time. Not one from the area that was in "lock down".

Do I have that right?
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Old 08-27-2013, 14:31   #38
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
hey, there's a craft international guy missing a back pack.
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Old 08-27-2013, 14:32   #39
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Ok, so far we have had a lot of responses, and only one from someone that was in the Boston area at the time. Not one from the area that was in "lock down".

Do I have that right?
Could be because they just aren't the "Gun Forum" type
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the guy that wrote the crappy ending for bsg wrote the boston script too.
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hey, there's a craft international guy missing a back pack.
He doesn't need it anymore. Buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves, out past Terralingua.
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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
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the boston script too.


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He doesn't need it anymore. Buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves, out past Terralingua.
seal team 6th.
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seal team 6th.
LOL....you gotta be crackin' jokes.
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From a LEO perspective:

OP, where were you when the manhunt occurred? My guess is no where close to the greater Boston area. I also guess that you don't know anything about law enforcement. Why don't you go apply, and willingly take a sworn oath to lay down your life to protect a community or even a state full of strangers? I fully support what the LEOs did in Boston and I am damn proud of them for catching the SOB that killed and wounded innocent American citizens.

Police work is not always unicorns and rainbows and it always involves pissing off one group of people or another. You can't make everybody happy all of the time.

OP, I ask you if you would have thought the police actions were appropriate if one of the people blown to hell by a bomb was a family member of your's?

Lastly, there has been no hard evidence that I have seen to lead me to believe that any mis conduct occurred on the part of law enforcement.

Hey KB, I ASKED some SIMPLE questions. I made no accusations toward anyone. I didn't accuse cops of doing ANYTHING wrong. I was using terms that were REPORTED all FRIGGING NIGHT LONG ON TV to describe what was happening. Did you not SEE the news, or hear it where CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, the BBC and every other media outlet in the world was referring to the city of Boston as being in LOCKDOWN, UNDER SEIGE, Shelter in Place, residents warned to STAY IN, DO NOT COME OUT O YOUR HOUSES, DON'T GO TO WORK, National Guard May Be Deployed, etc..
I could go on with more examples, you want me to?

If you have that kind of reaction to non-accusatory questions about historic events in a modern American city, it makes me wonder what would've happened if I had seen you on the street and dared ask you one of these questions. It makes me wonder why you even take that tone towards me for even broaching the subject.
As far as I can tell I don't even know you for you to be pulling an attitude like that.

I was just looking for information as to what happened that night and instead you turn it into GOD knows what? I should've known.
My bad for even asking.

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P.S. KB, you asked so I'll tell you. I was here, in Houston, in front of my laptop and the TV, on the couch when the hunt was taking place. I guess you can now harangue me for being a lazy turd, good-for-nothing, cop hater, or whatever you have going around in your mind that you think I am. If that makes you feel better.
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Old 08-27-2013, 15:31   #47
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Way too many and I'm guessing, flatten himself into the floor.
In other words, the usual. You don't know ****, but are free to exercise your bias in spite of your ignorance.

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I live in Albuquerque.

Last year the cops shot off my whole block before I could make it home from work. Nobody in or out. Took them a couple of hours to do their search. I suspected a beer runner. I was inconvenienced.

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In other words, the usual. You don't know ****, but are free to exercise your bias in spite of your ignorance.

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I'm not the one wringing their hands and crying in fear.

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