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Old 08-24-2013, 11:05   #1
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Car Salesmen

It is me or are a significant percentage of them "off" or do I somehow manage to get the looneys?

Yesterday the wife and I were checking out cars and got somewhat serious. The salesman helping us suffered from bipolar disorder due to some of the things he shared about himself. The guy who sold us our current car seemed mildly autistic. The guy who sold me my truck had bounced through a bunch of dealerships. Same with the guy from yesterday.

Is it one of those jobs that attracts nuts? Is it one of those jobs where people bounce from job to job trying to chase the money or find something they can sell?

Aside from the haggling I am beginning to hate going car shopping because I run into toons. I deal with them enough at work. Trying to buy a car from one is a pain.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:09   #2
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It is me or are a significant percentage of them "off" or do I somehow manage to get the looneys?

Yesterday the wife and I were checking out cars and got somewhat serious. The salesman helping us suffered from bipolar disorder due to some of the things he shared about himself. The guy who sold us our current car seemed mildly autistic. The guy who sold me my truck had bounced through a bunch of dealerships. Same with the guy from yesterday.

Is it one of those jobs that attracts nuts? Is it one of those jobs where people bounce from job to job trying to chase the money or find something they can sell?

Aside from the haggling I am beginning to hate going car shopping because I run into toons. I deal with them enough at work. Trying to buy a car from one is a pain.
It sounds like you're dealing with the "B team" salesmen. Those are the guys that don't sell a lot of cars and do go from dealer to dealer until they get tired of eeking out a living on a commission that's unreliable.

Good salesman aren't "off" and they're usually pretty well put together.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:26   #3
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Now-a-days most dealerships have Internet Sales departments. If possible, deal with them. This is how I purchased my last car and it worked out great; little to no haggling and I only had to spend about an hour and a half at the dealership.

I thoroughly agree with your assessment. I'll never blindly walk onto a lot again.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:50   #4
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Now-a-days most dealerships have Internet Sales departments. If possible, deal with them. This is how I purchased my last car and it worked out great; little to no haggling and I only had to spend about an hour and a half at the dealership.

I thoroughly agree with your assessment. I'll never blindly walk onto a lot again.
I'll have to try the internet sales.

We walked in cold and they seriously lowballed trade in and gave us MSRP. My wife was ready to buy and I was half tempted to download the KBB app while I was talking with the guy.

The last good car salesman I met was the one who sold me a Honda nearly 20 years ago when a few dealers just offered the cars at a set price. It was like buying a TV at Costco. Maybe if we had haggled he would have told me he was raped by Burmese nuns in the back lot of the dealership the night before.
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Old 08-24-2013, 12:06   #5
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Is it one of those jobs that attracts nuts?
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Is it one of those jobs where people bounce from job to job trying to chase the money
Nope

Not that so much, it's more that selling cars is a job that you can get with a driver's license and a pulse (and sometimes they make an exception on the driver's license part).

At any dealership, you'll have ~20% of the sales staff that are successful, stable and reasonably professional. The other 80% are the ones that are taking their spin through the revolving door--most salespeople last less than 90 days.
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Open carry would have prev...wait nevermind wrong type of thread

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I'll have to try the internet sales.
"Internet sales people" are just salespeople, and their job is the same as any other salesperson. The only difference is that you usually get to skip the first pencil.

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That's their job. You'd be surprised how many people buy at those numbers.
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Now-a-days most dealerships have Internet Sales departments. If possible, deal with them. This is how I purchased my last car and it worked out great; little to no haggling and I only had to spend about an hour and a half at the dealership.

I thoroughly agree with your assessment. I'll never blindly walk onto a lot again.
Yep, this. I haven't dealt with salesmen for my last 3 cars. E-mail the internet guy at the dealership, tell him what you want and how much you'll pay. No muss, no fuss. Show up at the dealership at the appointed time and walk out in an hour with a car. The dealership where I got my BRZ even fedex-ed the paperwork to me so I could sign everything before I got there.

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Wow CA. I cant believe you are stereotyping and criticizing someone because of their profession. You even go far as to state the mental state of the people working in said professional.

Now, if you said something true, like they must know where to go to find be able to buy their suits for less than $30, I would agree..but attacking their mental capacity?
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I must say the last car I bought, the salesman was a good guy. He is still at the dealership (the sales guys at the dealership stay a long time). I can still call him and he arranges some special things for me. He wants to sell me a car in the future.
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"Internet sales people" are just salespeople, and their job is the same as any other salesperson. The only difference is that you usually get to skip the first pencil.



That's their job. You'd be surprised how many people buy at those numbers.
Skipping the first pencil is nice. It avoids the first, "let me go talk to my boss first."

That gets old. We use it at work with confessions.
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"Internet sales people" are just salespeople, and their job is the same as any other salesperson. The only difference is that you usually get to skip the first pencil.



That's their job. You'd be surprised how many people buy at those numbers.
I did that once. I just haggled with the interest rate. This was well before the current state of events with car dealerships. A few years ago Toyota was doing 0% for 3 years, now they are doing 0% for 5. My credit union tells be they can't compete.
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Wow CA. I cant believe you are stereotyping and criticizing someone because of their profession. You even go far as to state the mental state of the people working in said professional.

Now, if you said something true, like they must know where to go to find be able to buy their suits for less than $30, I would agree..but attacking their mental capacity?
Well, when your salesman tells you he was "sick" for 8 years "on death's doorstep" and has a scar on his neck from a suicide attempt it tells you something about the guy.

I'm impressed he pulled it together to function as well as he does.

Or the guy who has sold just about every make of car "for a couple of months" that tells you something.
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This needs its own thread but if someone is 'in the know' please start a new thread and tell me the history on how car sales got to be the way it is today. How did the price of a car become so 'negotiable' and all the crap back and forth with a salesman? What I am getting at is why isn't the price of a car based on its manufacturing cost and a simple margin of profit. Why is it not the same as walking into a Home Depot and buying a 2x4? I am guessing the first model T's were at a set price and there was none of this haggling and negotiable price and back and forth crap. How and when did buying a car become such a huge ordeal with the dealerships basically attempting to scam you out of every last dollar they can get and being able to do so legally and its even an expected and accepted way of doing business by the buyer and the seller.


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This needs its own thread but if someone is 'in the know' please start a new thread and tell me the history on how car sales got to be the way it is today. How did the price of a car become so 'negotiable' and all the crap back and forth with a salesman? What I am getting at is why isn't the price of a car based on its manufacturing cost and a simple margin of profit. Why is it not the same as walking into a Home Depot and buying a 2x4? I am guessing the first model T's were at a set price and there was none of this haggling and negotiable price and back and forth crap. How and when did buying a car become such a huge ordeal with the dealerships basically attempting to scam you out of every last dollar they can get and being able to do so legally and its even an expected and accepted way of doing business by the buyer and the seller.


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You asking the question backwards. For the longest time in human history, prices on everything have been negotiable on all items. In recent history we have to "non-negotiable" prices for most items. Also you general premise is wrong. Many things are much more negotiable on price even when you see a fixed price.
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This needs its own thread but if someone is 'in the know' please start a new thread and tell me the history on how car sales got to be the way it is today. How did the price of a car become so 'negotiable' and all the crap back and forth with a salesman? What I am getting at is why isn't the price of a car based on its manufacturing cost and a simple margin of profit. Why is it not the same as walking into a Home Depot and buying a 2x4? I am guessing the first model T's were at a set price and there was none of this haggling and negotiable price and back and forth crap. How and when did buying a car become such a huge ordeal with the dealerships basically attempting to scam you out of every last dollar they can get and being able to do so legally and its even an expected and accepted way of doing business by the buyer and the seller.


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I think it's not just that the car business attracts nuts (it definately does) but the car business can turn people nuts, if they let it

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This needs its own thread but if someone is 'in the know' please start a new thread and tell me the history on how car sales got to be the way it is today. How did the price of a car become so 'negotiable' and all the crap back and forth with a salesman?
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You asking the question backwards. For the longest time in human history, prices on everything have been negotiable on all items.
This. The idea of fixed prices is really a very recent invention... within the last ~150 years or so. And even "fixed" pricing isn't really fixed, there's price targeting strategies employed within the fixed pricing structure (coupons, loyalty programs, etc).
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Car salespersons are a different breed. I really think most of them are unaware that today's car buyers are a lot more educated about pricing and the buying process (There are exceptions).

They love the opportunity to get your trade in at a ridiculously low price, and shove you towards one of the financing programs that the dealer has their fingers in, and then throw in a uninformed buyer with a low credit score and they have a perfect trifecta.

I have been shopping for a new car for the past month or so. I have stepped on the lot once to test drive the two vehicles I am interested in (both are Subaru's). If I could have found them on a rental lot I would have rented each for a day vs going to the dealer. All my shopping and dealing is now being done via the internet.

1. Do your research on prices and decide what is a fair price to you and what your willing to pay.

2. Get pre-approval for financing at a bank or CU. Unless your getting a 0% APR as a Manufacture's incentive.

3. Sell your used car yourself. The dealers will NEVER give you whats it worth. It's a relatively easy process to sell it yourself, and you might be surprised what you can actually get for it.

4. Ask to deal directly with the decision maker. Skip the middle man.

5 Tell the dealer what your willing to pay for the car and stick to your guns.

6. Don't be afraid to say no and walk (It feel pretty good to do that). That car you are in love with almost surely exists on another dealers lot and perhaps at a better price.

7. Don't overlook out of state dealers. Large volume dealers will often beat the heck out of small local dealers prices. I found a Subaru dealer in Colorado that has amazing prices I am in VA. (Maybe a road trip).

Good luck to you.

I look forward to the day that buying a car is like buying a jug of milk. I think Saturn had it right with the fixed prices.
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amazon.com/cars

That would be sweet. Customer reviews. Free shipping with Prime.
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I dont know..but i do know that i typically know MORE about the cars they are selling thewn they do for the most part..I can count on 1 hand the salesmen that know as much about the car im interested in as I do...and I dont have to use all the fingers on that hand.
I remember backin 1998 or so I was looking at a Pontiac GTP and I was looking and comparing that to the Taurus SHO..guy kept saying what a nice/powerful engine(for that era) it had for a turbo charged 4 cylinder..I said its a Super Charged 6...he kept insisting it was a 4 and turbo...finally I said grab the keys...he did I popped the hood I said how many spark plug/plug wires do you see and do you see the big super charger...he was ASTONISHED! lol....just had to go elsewhere to buy something..

I always make sure I know as much or more about what im looking at than the guys there.
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That would be sweet. Customer reviews. Free shipping with Prime.

I hope they offer the Elio when it goes into production!


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I'm car shopping now and have never enjoyed it. Doesn't help I'm on a really limited budget due to my current job. I've nearly driven my current car into the ground, and the car in front of me on the way home this afternoon.
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It seems like the few dealershps that tried posting an actual price on the car dd not last long or did not stay doing that for long. It also seems to me that purchases that have a strong emotional component to them are more likely to be the ones that have some negotiating; houses, guns, cars. Mostly, the price of a gallon of milk at the store seems a bit more fixed. And seems like that purchase would be a bit less emotional.
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