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Old 08-05-2013, 10:43   #101
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There is still much misinformation in this thread. Here is the most likely source of that misinformation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...-coverage.html

Looks like most of the posters here have been drinking the Fox kool aid.
Thanks for the link. There seems to be a lot of confusion and disinformation available. One article mentioned that Alaska has had an unusually cool spring. I suspect that would be consistent with more of the Japanese current flowing through the Arctic thereby pushing less warm water down the Alaskan coast.
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Old 08-05-2013, 11:56   #102
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Thanks for the link. There seems to be a lot of confusion and disinformation available. One article mentioned that Alaska has had an unusually cool spring. I suspect that would be consistent with more of the Japanese current flowing through the Arctic thereby pushing less warm water down the Alaskan coast.
The cooler spring was caused by less sea ice.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...onment-spring/
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:01   #103
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Global warming Liberals- Let me guess.

You were for the Kyoto Protocol exempting China and India from CO2 emissions.

China and India are the number 1 and 2 emitters of CO2.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:23   #104
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Well one for things is for sure. It's getting warmer. "Why" is the question that the debate centers on. Alarmist environmentalists always frame the debate that people disagree with the warming part. Most don't, what they do disagree on is the "how" we are getting warmer part.

More people might listen if the screeching environmentalist were not so wrong on just about everything they've predicted in the past 30-50 years. A more reasoned approach might help, but when you are so emotionally connected to something its hard to stay in the middle.

Man might have effect and to that end, we should all work towards minimizing that effect to the best of our ability. But we should not let some political philosophy determine energy usage, and emissions of CO2.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:32   #105
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Global warming Liberals- Let me guess.

You were for the Kyoto Protocol exempting China and India from CO2 emissions.

China and India are the number 1 and 2 emitters of CO2.
Hard to believe anything you post.

China is #1, USA is #2, India is #3. The USA releases almost 3 times the amount of CO2 as India.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:34   #106
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:51   #107
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Arctic thawing will raise ocean levels, which will make life interesting for future Floridians. Those who live on the coast are at sea level and will be underwater. Inland Florida is mostly a few yards above seal level, so interesting adventures will be had by all.
Florida will not be underwater from Arctic thawing. Almost all of the Arctic ice is sea ice, it's floating, so even if all of it melts it won't raise ocean levels any significant amount.

The Antarctic is a different story as it is a continent, so most of the ice is on a land mass, and melting ice there would contribute to rising sea levels. But it's much colder in the Antarctic since there aren't any warm water currents flowing into and around it.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:57   #108
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Florida will not be underwater from Arctic thawing. Almost all of the Arctic ice is sea ice, it's floating, so even if all of it melts it won't raise ocean levels any significant amount.

The Antarctic is a different story as it is a continent, so most of the ice is on a land mass, and melting ice there would contribute to rising sea levels. But it's much colder in the Antarctic since there aren't any warm water currents flowing into and around it.
Warming of the oceans also causes a volumetric expansion of seawater.
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Old 08-05-2013, 13:05   #109
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OK, Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he used the term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

Politically correct now?
As I recall, the Greenies changed the term because the MMGW models were failing, so they needed a broader definition.

And it was Uber-Liberal-Greenie Al Gore, that personally profited from green energy initiatives. Personal net worth around $98 Million, about 50 times what he was worth leaving the VP office.

Reviewing Obama's 2009 stimulus packag, 9 of 11 companies that Gore endorsed during a 2008 presentation on fighting climate change received government investment. Worth - billions.
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1961299.html)

Whose shame is truly showing?
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Old 08-05-2013, 13:11   #110
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Warming of the oceans also causes a volumetric expansion of seawater.
Yes, it would. Water will expand by ~0.000214 x per degree C. In other words, heat a gallon of water by 1* C, and you have 1.000214 gallons of water.

How much hotter do you expect the oceans to get?
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Originally by Dr. David Viner, 2000
Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event.

Originally by Michael Oppenheimer, 1990
[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.

Originally by Lester Brown, 1981
....the period of global food security is over. As the demand for food continues to press against supply, inevitably real food prices will rise. The question no longer seems to be whether they will rise, but how much.

Originally by Lester Brown, 1994
The world's farmers can no longer be counted on to feed the projected additions to the world's population.

Originally by Norman Myers, The Sinking Ark, 1979
40,000 species per year were going extinct and that 1 million species would be gone by the year 2000.

Originally by Paul Ehrlich, 1971
By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

Originally by Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, Secretary of Smithsonian Institute,1970
....in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.

Originally by Ehrlich, Earth Day, 1970
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish."

Originally by Al Gore, 1988
We have only 10 years to react.

Originally by Al Gore, 2008
We have only 10 years to react.
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Old 08-05-2013, 13:35   #112
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Originally by Dr. David Viner, 2000
Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event.

Originally by Michael Oppenheimer, 1990
[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers.

Originally by Lester Brown, 1981
....the period of global food security is over. As the demand for food continues to press against supply, inevitably real food prices will rise. The question no longer seems to be whether they will rise, but how much.

Originally by Lester Brown, 1994
The world's farmers can no longer be counted on to feed the projected additions to the world's population.

Originally by Norman Myers, The Sinking Ark, 1979
40,000 species per year were going extinct and that 1 million species would be gone by the year 2000.

Originally by Paul Ehrlich, 1971
By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.

Originally by Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, Secretary of Smithsonian Institute,1970
....in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.

Originally by Ehrlich, Earth Day, 1970
In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish."

Originally by Al Gore, 1988
We have only 10 years to react.

Originally by Al Gore, 2008
We have only 10 years to react.
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Old 08-05-2013, 14:06   #113
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How much hotter do you expect the oceans to get?
Hot enough to make sushi unsafe?



Hot enough to scuba without neoprene wetsuits?



Hot enough to end embarrassing shrinkage at the beach?
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Old 08-05-2013, 14:13   #114
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The USA releases almost 3 times the amount of CO2 as India.
Sounds like you've never been to India. You can feel and smell the pollution before they open the aircraft door. There are 10s of millions of 2-stroke vehicles over there. My eyes and lungs burn the entire time I'm there.
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Old 08-05-2013, 14:30   #115
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Yes, it would. Water will expand by ~0.000214 x per degree C. In other words, heat a gallon of water by 1* C, and you have 1.000214 gallons of water.

How much hotter do you expect the oceans to get?
Try multiplying by the number of gallons in the ocean.
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Old 08-05-2013, 14:33   #116
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Sounds like you've never been to India. You can feel and smell the pollution before they open the aircraft door. There are 10s of millions of 2-stroke vehicles over there. My eyes and lungs burn the entire time I'm there.
We are not talking about all of the different pollutants such as SOx, NOx, soots, etc. from burning fossil fuels only carbon dioxide. Sorry to tell you this but you can't smell carbon dioxide.
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Old 08-05-2013, 16:43   #117
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There is still much misinformation in this thread. Here is the most likely source of that misinformation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...-coverage.html

Looks like most of the posters here have been drinking the Fox kool aid.
the union of concerned socialist scientists is your source of information???

http://www.ucsusa.org/about/history-...lishments.html

"UCS provides ongoing technical analysis of U.S. missile defense systems and tests, and plays an important role in the Obama administration’s decision to cancel the flawed Bush administration proposal for a European missile defense system. [More about Nuclear Weapons & Global Security] "

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Old 08-05-2013, 16:46   #118
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President Obama will be impeached!
Why when Bush caused the melting
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Old 08-05-2013, 17:22   #119
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Well one for things is for sure. It's getting warmer. "Why" is the question that the debate centers on. Alarmist environmentalists always frame the debate that people disagree with the warming part. Most don't, what they do disagree on is the "how" we are getting warmer part.

More people might listen if the screeching environmentalist were not so wrong on just about everything they've predicted in the past 30-50 years. A more reasoned approach might help, but when you are so emotionally connected to something its hard to stay in the middle.

Man might have effect and to that end, we should all work towards minimizing that effect to the best of our ability. But we should not let some political philosophy determine energy usage, and emissions of CO2.
Actually it's not getting warmer. In fact, over the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat even though greenhouse-gas emissions have been rising.

But if the U.S. could just drastically cut our energy usage, borrow a few trillion from the Chicoms to give to third world countries after Al Gore gets his customary cut, I'm sure the earth will cool right down.

Global warming is a scam.
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Old 08-05-2013, 17:25   #120
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The cooler spring was caused by less sea ice.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...onment-spring/
that article was literally PEPPERED with weasel-words..."might", "could", "may"...get a GRIP, allanc! hell, the title of the article is "Is Shrinking Sea Ice Behind Chilly Spring?"

"IS", allan....denotes a QUESTION, not a declaration. GEEZE!




alarmism at its finest!

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the union of concerned socialist scientists is your source of information???

www.ucsusa.org/about/history-of-accomplishments.html

"UCS provides ongoing technical analysis of U.S. missile defense systems and tests, and plays an important role in the Obama administration’s decision to cancel the flawed Bush administration proposal for a European missile defense system. [More about Nuclear Weapons & Global Security] "
Sounds like they've done a bunch of good things.
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Sounds like they've done a bunch of good things.
sounds like they are left-leaning activists.

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that article was literally PEPPERED with weasel-words..."might", "could", "may"...get a GRIP, allanc! hell, the title of the article is "Is Shrinking Sea Ice Behind Chilly Spring?"

"IS", allan....denotes a QUESTION, not a declaration. GEEZE!




alarmism at its finest!
Have anything intelligent to add to the conversation?
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Have anything intelligent to add to the conversation?
"may", "might", "suggests", "could"...

what level of scientific certainty do those words convey, allan?
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Old 08-05-2013, 18:05   #125
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sounds like they are are left-leaning activists.
Many of whom are sucking at the teat of government funding or donors that have left-leaning or financial agendas that would benefit greatly from government policies.
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