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Old 08-04-2013, 20:26   #76
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It's a godless religion.
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Old 08-04-2013, 20:32   #77
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Thinking back, it seems all the "Global Warming" and "Climate Change" stuff started with the find of the hole in the Ozone Layer.

Last I checked though, the hole was closing again.
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Old 08-04-2013, 20:52   #78
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I'm not trying to downplay the impact of natural disasters like volcanoes and asteroids. I won't discount other physics like sunspots or Chandlers wobble. But man is also having a negative influence on the already fragile components of our environment.

These effects are real and measurable, as we can see from the effects of the man-made deforestation of the rain forests and the China smog (which, by the way is visible from space and is now spreading over Japan.)

These man made issues have real and exacting effects on the climate and simply because the effects may dwarf in comparison to volcanoes or ELE's or sunspots or wobbles is no reason to ignore them.
Had to put the flame suit on, but I do agree with this.

We certainly have affected the planet and the Ozone is proof of this. But I also do not buy into all the tree-hugger/ and Al Gore/political nonsense of this.

I think everything happening is a combination of both Natural events and our input. But as forum member Flying-Dutchman said, The solution is "Nothing". Our part will take care of itself. Businesses as well as us at home are becoming more efficient and "greener". Not because of "Global warming/Climate change", but because it saves Businesses money and the consumer benefits from their those savings too. It also saves us money at home.

All kitchen appliances, PCs, Printers, Monitors, Servers, Washers/Dryers, Electronics etc available today are far more energy efficient than they were just a few years ago. And will become even more efficient as technology progresses.
Vehicles too are becoming way more efficient and Diesel is also becoming more popular here in the States.
Home heating systems are also becoming very efficient.
Like all new technology though, the new stuff is pricey and takes a while for prices to come down for more people to be able to afford it. Eventually everyone will be using low energy, high efficiency equipment though.
But thats probably why gas prices are a little higher too. Lower consumption over the last few years is offset by raising the prices.
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Old 08-04-2013, 21:08   #79
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It's a godless religion.
Which one?
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Old 08-04-2013, 21:26   #80
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Old 08-04-2013, 21:56   #81
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What drastic changes would you have to make to help stop deforestation of the rain forested? What personal liberties would you have to sacrifice to help make China's air a little less chewable?

The "trillions of dollars" I'm talking about is, the cost it will be in damages.
So since I don't make laws, or vote in Brazil and do not buy wood products from them that I am aware, there nothing I can do about it.

I also don't vote in China (wait they don't either), I do not influence their pollution laws. If they do not control their air pollution some will die, that will help with their population problem. I try to buy American where I can, which is how I help reduce pollution in China.

I am old enough to remember when the coming ice age was predicted in about 1970. It was to be here by 2000. Then it was man-made global warming. Now since it not currently warming, it is "climate change".

Really, it is like gun control, it is not about climate change, or gun control, it is all about people control. We are too stupid to know what is good for us, and those really smart scientist/government know what is best for us. The US is too selfish. We should live like 2nd world countries so that the 3rd world countries can move up.

Problem is, that they won't. They are not 3rd world countries because we consume what we consume. They are 3rd world countries because of their own actions, or inactions.
I remember when liberals were for freedom and equality. Now they are for socialism and telling other people how they should live and spend their money.
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Old 08-04-2013, 21:56   #82
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Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he invented a new term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

Re the comments about severe weather: a large increase in severe weather is predicted as part of "climate change", and we're already seeing it.

Arctic thawing will raise ocean levels, which will make life interesting for future Floridians. Those who live on the coast are at sea level and will be underwater. Inland Florida is mostly a few yards above seal level, so interesting adventures will be had by all.
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Old 08-04-2013, 22:14   #83
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Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he invented a new term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

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Get a political grip.

Bush didn't invent the term "climate change"

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...ther_name.html

And changing sea levels are why the ancient city of Troy is now about 4 miles inland. Too many campfires, I suppose.
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What drastic changes would you have to make to help stop deforestation of the rain forested? What personal liberties would you have to sacrifice to help make China's air a little less chewable?

The "trillions of dollars" I'm talking about is, the cost it will be in damages.
One of the many things that hammered the Brazilian rainforest was Brazil's willingness to listen to the bilge that spews from the mouths of leftists.

Libtards told the Brazilians they could use "alternative" energy to power their vehicles by using sugarcane based ethanol; so they hacked down the forest, sold the exotic woods, and planted more sugar cane than any other country on Earth. India is in second place, and they aren't even close:
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World’s Top 10 Sugar-Producing Countries in 2010-2011
By Blair Euteneuer - Oct 6, 2011 11:45 AM PT


The following is a table of the world’s 10 largest sugar-producing nations for the 2010-2011 crop year. The data, measured in millions of metric tons, raw value, are from the London-based International Sugar Organization.

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1) Brazil 38.745
2) India 26.000

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...11-table-.html
But I digress...

The point is, one can never hope to create biohydrocarbons on a scale that will match the natural processes that took billions of years to produce what we commonly refer to as fossil fuels. One can however, piss away what passes for topsoil in the greater Amazon basin, by taking advice from liberal imbeciles who majored in Underwater Basketweaving and minored in Alternative Energy at august institutions like Hampshire College.

The one thing tropical soils cannot hack, is some morons trying to squeeze enough energy and food out of it to sustain the largest country in South America.

Then again, the elite liberal sipping his organic white wine on his Brazilian Ipe deck won't want to hear such talk. It doesn't fit the narrative.

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Old 08-04-2013, 22:50   #85
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Get a political grip.

Bush didn't invent the term "climate change"

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...ther_name.html

And changing sea levels are why the ancient city of Troy is now about 4 miles inland. Too many campfires, I suppose.
OK, Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he used the term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

Politically correct now?
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Old 08-04-2013, 23:33   #86
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OK, Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he used the term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

Politically correct now?
If the topic is going to shift to the number of times that George Bush (Sr. or Jr.) foolishly caved in to and adopted liberal nonsense, I'm afraid we will soon run out of the cyberspace needed to discuss it.
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What happens when the Arctic thaws?

Democrats will ban arctic melting before it gets out of hand
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Bush Jr and other GOPers insisted for years that there was no global warming due to humans. Then the evidence became so overwhelming that even Bush Jr backed down and admitted there was. But after bashing "global warming" so vehemently for so many years he invented a new term, "climate change", to save face. It's surprising there are still hold-overs from the head-in-the-sand era.

Re the comments about severe weather: a large increase in severe weather is predicted as part of "climate change", and we're already seeing it.

Arctic thawing will raise ocean levels, which will make life interesting for future Floridians. Those who live on the coast are at sea level and will be underwater. Inland Florida is mostly a few yards above seal level, so interesting adventures will be had by all.
When all else fails, as it usually does with progressives, blame Bush.

We are not seeing any increase in severe weather and it would seem that the global warming pope Gore wasn't worried about the seas rising when he bought his ocean front estate.

Global warming is a scam.
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science is not based on implication or probable cause.

you are asking us to DRASTICALLY change our lifestyles and give up many more personal Liberties (at a cost of TRILLIONS of dollars) to implement a set of protocols that may or may not be related to a problem that may or may not even exist.

does it make any sense to rush into such a scheme?
Plus, the global warming believing scientists admit that even by taking drastic economy-wrecking measures, any decrease in temperature would be negligible.
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:58   #90
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Liberals….I am still waiting for your solution to man-made global warming…….crickets chirping….
Easy! Buy Algore carbon credits so he can build a larger house and buy another jet plane.
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But it does imply probable cause.
That's a legal term not a scientific concept.
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We are not seeing any increase in severe weather .
Yes, the only reason there SEEMS to be an increase in severe weather is because it is sensationalized in 24 hour a day weather broadcasts and news services that are made specifically to feed and excite.

The Earth has experienced flooding, tornadoes, hurricanes, heat waves, blizzards and other severe weather phenomenom since it's beginning and will continue to do so long after humans are gone.

About a billion years from now, when the Sun swells and becomes larger and brighter and the Earth's oceans begin to boil away and life on our once green planet fades, global warming believers will still blame man.
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There is still much misinformation in this thread. Here is the most likely source of that misinformation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...-coverage.html

Looks like most of the posters here have been drinking the Fox kool aid.

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There is still much misinformation in this thread. Here is the most likely source of that misinformation.

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...-coverage.html

Looks like most of the posters here have been drinking the Fox kool aid.
I am undecided on man-made global warming but it does not matter.

There is a population bomb of 7 billion people on this planet predicted to explode to 14 billion mostly in the 3rd world all intending to burn fossil fuel for a Western lifestyle.

Our Constitution does not allow a One World Government so we cannot force other countries to cut CO2.

Driving a Prius is futile as we are such a small portion of the world’s population.

If things get hot we will migrate to Canada where few people live because….because it is too cold.
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What happens when the Arctic thaws?
When? Really? From which snake oil salesman did you swallow this premise hook, line and sinker?
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When? Really? From which snake oil salesman did you swallow this premise hook, line and sinker?
See #67. Here are some more.

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One more time, what's happening to all the ice if it's not melting?
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One more time, what's happening to all the ice if it's not melting?
Those pictures of ice are photoshopped by a bunch of treehugging, prius-driving liberals. Geez, I thought everyone on GT knew that.
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