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Old 08-03-2013, 18:47   #26
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So much misinformation and misinformed, ignorant posters in this thread. Sorry, just keep living in your make-believe world.
I agree, Trew2life is spewing a lot of crap. I suspect you will be doing the same soon.

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Old 08-03-2013, 18:48   #27
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Severe weather isn't a new thing. Climate change isn't either. Empirical evidence is something we track, not a new thing either
Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
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Old 08-03-2013, 18:50   #28
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from the National Review Online...

Hansen has long employed stagecraft for political gain. On June 23, 1988, he delivered his testimony in an unusually toasty hearing room. Why was it so warm? As then-Sen. Tim Wirth (D., Colo.), told ABC’s Frontline: “We went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room . . . it was really hot.”
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Old 08-03-2013, 18:51   #29
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:02   #30
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Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
Sure it has an impact. When you compare it to natural events however it doesn't hold a candle to a... volcano. Like blaming forest fire and birthday cake candles. We have evidence to the contrary we don't have to rely on rhetoric.

Comparing historically proven life ending asteroid impacts to 200 years worth of internal combustion engine smog is like comparing second hand smoke to Mt St Helens.... historically and environmentally a single **** was not given.
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?

There is none.
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:09   #32
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Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
The fact that it is not new, or even the first time, http://www.colorado.edu/news/release...mapí-continued, means everything.

Understanding natural cyclic climate change is important. Blaming man for a hot year is stupid and only done for political power.
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?
Burn fossil fuels flying and driving to power plants and oil rigs so you can protest. Duh... HH
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:17   #34
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?

There is none.
au contraire!

the solution is ALWAYS that western civilization (particularly America) must give up OUR way of life and prosperity to be redistributed to all of the socialist/communist/dictatorships in the world.

ALWAYS!

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Burn fossil fuels flying and driving to power plants and oil rigs so you can protest. Duh... HH
Exactly.

I would have more respect for the global warming people if they lived like the Amish.
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Examples of some of the blatant misinformation in this thread. I'm sure there will be much more posted.
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:49   #37
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au contraire!

the solution is ALWAYS that western civilization (particularly America) must give up OUR way of life and prosperity to be redistributed to all of the socialist/communist/dictatorships in the world.

ALWAYS!
Ah, redistribution, so the Greens are really the Reds.

US gasoline consumption is down the last few years yet prices are up as the rest of the world uses more.

Let the rest of the world show us the way first by using less.

Letís make a deal. If the rest of the world gives up machines and goes back to the oxen and plow, so will we.
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:54   #38
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Let the rest of the world show us the way first by using less.

Letís make a deal. If the rest of the world gives up machines and goes back to the oxen and plow, so will we.
Those that turn swords to plows usually die at the hands of those who didn't.

Go ride that oxen up to an Abrams and see who wins that contest...
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Old 08-03-2013, 20:17   #39
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Sure it has an impact. When you compare it to natural events however it doesn't hold a candle to a... volcano. Like blaming forest fire and birthday cake candles. We have evidence to the contrary we don't have to rely on rhetoric.

Comparing historically proven life ending asteroid impacts to 200 years worth of internal combustion engine smog is like comparing second hand smoke to Mt St Helens.... historically and environmentally a single **** was not given.
I'm not trying to downplay the impact of natural disasters like volcanoes and asteroids. I won't discount other physics like sunspots or Chandlers wobble. But man is also having a negative influence on the already fragile components of our environment.

These effects are real and measurable, as we can see from the effects of the man-made deforestation of the rain forests and the China smog (which, by the way is visible from space and is now spreading over Japan.)

These man made issues have real and exacting effects on the climate and simply because the effects may dwarf in comparison to volcanoes or ELE's or sunspots or wobbles is no reason to ignore them.
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Old 08-03-2013, 20:21   #40
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These effects are real and measurable, as we can see from the effects of the man-made deforestation of the rain forests and the China smog (which, by the way is visible from space and is now spreading over Japan.)

These man made issues have real and exacting effects on the climate and simply because the effects may dwarf in comparison to volcanoes or ELE's or sunspots or wobbles is no reason to ignore them.
a correlation in time does not establish a cause and effect relationship.
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Old 08-03-2013, 20:24   #41
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You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.
Ain't nothing compared to volcanos.
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Old 08-03-2013, 21:07   #43
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California becomes a red state.
It would probably become a series of islands on what is now the coast and the Central Valley would become an inland sea.

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Ain't nothing compared to volcanos.
I see the tinfoilers are still posting the same misinformation.

Here are three links that debunk this lie. Please come up with something a little more original.

http://environment.about.com/od/gree...olcano-gas.htm
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=31313
http://news.discovery.com/earth/weat...ate-110627.htm

You guys crack me up and never fail to disappoint in your silly replies.


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a correlation in time does not establish a cause and effect relationship.
But it does imply probable cause.
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The mosquitoes will be worse and last longer.
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San Francisco surfs to Denver, Canada becomes a major citrus fruit producer, and Mayor Bloomberg outlaws ice in fountain drinks.
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But it does imply probable cause.
science is not based on implication or probable cause.

you are asking us to DRASTICALLY change our lifestyles and give up many more personal Liberties (at a cost of TRILLIONS of dollars) to implement a set of protocols that may or may not be related to a problem that may or may not even exist.

does it make any sense to rush into such a scheme?

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Old 08-04-2013, 06:23   #49
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The global temperature will start increasing because the polar ice caps are no longer acting as a temperature regulating mechanism.

It's similar to a glass with water and ice cubes being heated, as long as ice remains, the water will not increase in temperature. As soon as the ice is melted the water temperature starts to rise because there is nothing to stop it.
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It's similar to a glass with water and ice cubes being heated...
yeah, those water glass currents are very similar to ocean currents...
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