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Old 08-03-2013, 18:08   #21
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You see it for yourself happening right now in the form of severe weather patterns around the world.

In the long term, it's estimated that the increased level of methane will have devestating consequence of accelerating climate change; in the cost of trillions.
Severe weather isn't a new thing. Climate change isn't either. Empirical evidence is something we track, not a new thing either
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Old 08-03-2013, 18:13   #22
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When the arctic thaws, ice fishermen grab their fly fishing gear, and polar bears pretend to be grizzlies.

Also, eskimos end up in section 8.
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Old 08-03-2013, 18:14   #23
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The planet is doing what it's always done. I don't think the Earth even knows we're here.
Mostly because it doesn't. I'm amazed that folks believe that 200 years worth of our industrial revolution can compete with just a single volcanic eruption and make a comparative studies towards anthropological climate change. It seems empirical evidence isn't even a factor in modern science anymore.
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Old 08-03-2013, 18:16   #24
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When it all melts we will be able to find all the stuff that has been hidden under the ice all these years
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Examples of some of the blatant misinformation in this thread. I'm sure there will be much more posted.



To use a popular phrase here, follow the money. http://www.desmogblog.com/marc-morano
Climate Depot is not very reliable.



This is just laughable.



No, funny but almost all of the climate scientists would disagree with that statement. But maybe this poster is smarter than all of them. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus



This has been debunked so many times it isn't funny. Too bad the poster wants to keep stating lies.

http://environment.about.com/od/gree...olcano-gas.htm
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=31313
http://news.discovery.com/earth/weat...ate-110627.htm
Yup you have no idea either case closed.

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Old 08-03-2013, 18:47   #26
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So much misinformation and misinformed, ignorant posters in this thread. Sorry, just keep living in your make-believe world.
I agree, Trew2life is spewing a lot of crap. I suspect you will be doing the same soon.

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Severe weather isn't a new thing. Climate change isn't either. Empirical evidence is something we track, not a new thing either
Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
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from the National Review Online...

Hansen has long employed stagecraft for political gain. On June 23, 1988, he delivered his testimony in an unusually toasty hearing room. Why was it so warm? As then-Sen. Tim Wirth (D., Colo.), told ABC’s Frontline: “We went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room . . . it was really hot.”
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Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
Sure it has an impact. When you compare it to natural events however it doesn't hold a candle to a... volcano. Like blaming forest fire and birthday cake candles. We have evidence to the contrary we don't have to rely on rhetoric.

Comparing historically proven life ending asteroid impacts to 200 years worth of internal combustion engine smog is like comparing second hand smoke to Mt St Helens.... historically and environmentally a single **** was not given.
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?

There is none.
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Old 08-03-2013, 19:09   #32
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Yes and the hole in the Ozone layer was just earths way of showing off it's moon roof. You can not pump this much industrial excess into an environment and NOT think it won't have an impact.

The fact that its not new means nothing. The fact that it is happening during our lifetime mean everything.
The fact that it is not new, or even the first time, http://www.colorado.edu/news/release...mapí-continued, means everything.

Understanding natural cyclic climate change is important. Blaming man for a hot year is stupid and only done for political power.
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?
Burn fossil fuels flying and driving to power plants and oil rigs so you can protest. Duh... HH
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To the believers of man-made global warming; what is the solution?

There is none.
au contraire!

the solution is ALWAYS that western civilization (particularly America) must give up OUR way of life and prosperity to be redistributed to all of the socialist/communist/dictatorships in the world.

ALWAYS!

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Burn fossil fuels flying and driving to power plants and oil rigs so you can protest. Duh... HH
Exactly.

I would have more respect for the global warming people if they lived like the Amish.
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au contraire!

the solution is ALWAYS that western civilization (particularly America) must give up OUR way of life and prosperity to be redistributed to all of the socialist/communist/dictatorships in the world.

ALWAYS!
Ah, redistribution, so the Greens are really the Reds.

US gasoline consumption is down the last few years yet prices are up as the rest of the world uses more.

Let the rest of the world show us the way first by using less.

Letís make a deal. If the rest of the world gives up machines and goes back to the oxen and plow, so will we.
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Let the rest of the world show us the way first by using less.

Letís make a deal. If the rest of the world gives up machines and goes back to the oxen and plow, so will we.
Those that turn swords to plows usually die at the hands of those who didn't.

Go ride that oxen up to an Abrams and see who wins that contest...
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Sure it has an impact. When you compare it to natural events however it doesn't hold a candle to a... volcano. Like blaming forest fire and birthday cake candles. We have evidence to the contrary we don't have to rely on rhetoric.

Comparing historically proven life ending asteroid impacts to 200 years worth of internal combustion engine smog is like comparing second hand smoke to Mt St Helens.... historically and environmentally a single **** was not given.
I'm not trying to downplay the impact of natural disasters like volcanoes and asteroids. I won't discount other physics like sunspots or Chandlers wobble. But man is also having a negative influence on the already fragile components of our environment.

These effects are real and measurable, as we can see from the effects of the man-made deforestation of the rain forests and the China smog (which, by the way is visible from space and is now spreading over Japan.)

These man made issues have real and exacting effects on the climate and simply because the effects may dwarf in comparison to volcanoes or ELE's or sunspots or wobbles is no reason to ignore them.
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These effects are real and measurable, as we can see from the effects of the man-made deforestation of the rain forests and the China smog (which, by the way is visible from space and is now spreading over Japan.)

These man made issues have real and exacting effects on the climate and simply because the effects may dwarf in comparison to volcanoes or ELE's or sunspots or wobbles is no reason to ignore them.
a correlation in time does not establish a cause and effect relationship.
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