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Old 07-17-2013, 05:44   #61
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Get an umbrella insurance policy. These policies serve to protect your net wealth against those who seek the deepest pockets in the event of a lawsuit of some sort. They are very inexpensive and well worth the money (around $100-$150 a year). Most start at $1 million and can be a God send. Stop and think of your personal net wealth and what you could stand to lose if a plaintiff wins a suit against you.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:58   #62
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I'm not planning on any changes. If someone attacks me with deadly force - including smashing my head on the pavement - I will definitely shoot them.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:09   #63
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I'm not planning on any changes. If someone attacks me with deadly force - including smashing my head on the pavement - I will definitely shoot them.
That part of the incident is fairly obvious. Did you see anything in the events leading up to and the aftermath that have caused you to assess whether changes in other aspects of carrying are desired ?
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:14   #64
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That part of the incident is fairly obvious. Did you see anything in the events leading up to and the aftermath that have caused you to assess whether changes in other aspects of carrying are desired ?
Well I also carry a spray - the nastiest anti-personnel OC spray I can find.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:23   #65
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Well I also carry a spray - the nastiest anti-personnel OC spray I can find.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:09   #66
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Did you see anything in the events leading up to and the aftermath that have caused you to assess whether changes in other aspects of carrying are desired ?
The aftermath (jail, trial, legal costs, threats, uncertain future, impact on family, knowledge that a life was taken, world-wide identity as controversial shooter, and more) will cause many to consider different SD methods.

The Zimmerman case will likely result in new SD products like concealable stun guns, spray products and other gear for civilians to use against threats less deadly than guns. The popularity of hand-to-hand training will increase.

This case drives home the accountability and responsibility associated with carrying a firearm and makes clear the legal and many other consequences of shooting someone. It will cause many to rethink their SD needs, tactics and preparation, including training and thinking through responses to various threat scenarios. Those who scoff at the need to rethink and reevaluate their approach to CC are carelessly risking the same plight George Zimmerman will suffer for the rest of his life.

This case is a huge opportunity for each of us to rethink and, maybe, retool our self defense strategies. It costs nothing to spend some time thinking about situational awareness, avoiding places where trouble is more likely to happen, moving to a safer environment, responding to various threat scenarios, deciding what we'll do if we observe a crime in progress. If we are a neighborhood watch volunteer, the Zimmerman case lessons are plain.

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Old 07-17-2013, 13:09   #67
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This case is a huge opportunity for each of us to rethink and, maybe, retool our self defense strategies. It costs nothing to spend some time thinking about situational awareness, avoiding places where trouble is more likely to happen, moving to a safer environment, responding to various threat scenarios, deciding what we'll do if we observe a crime in progress. If we are a neighborhood watch volunteer, the Zimmerman case lessons are plain.

The lesson everyone should take away is that if your self defense strategy begins and ends with merely having a gun and reliance on luck. Be prepared for a lot of grief if you manage to actually survive a serious encounter.
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Old 07-18-2013, 08:13   #68
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The lesson everyone should take away is that if your self defense strategy begins and ends with merely having a gun and reliance on luck. Be prepared for a lot of grief if you manage to actually survive a serious encounter.
Ditto. The best outcome for an unfriendly encounter is to avoid having one in the first place. There are just too many stories of guys that shot someone with good reason and legal justification that still spend a lot of time and money defending themselves in court after the fact.

Shooting someone should be #2 on your list of bad things that could happen to you. It's still number 2.
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I will never carry pepper spray as if I have to use my firearm, I don't want them to have the excuse to ask why I didn't use the lesser force available to me. I have had recent back surgery and was not able to carry for several months...even though the pain is intense...I have switched back to wearing the uncomfortable clothing so I can carry again. I will also have to find my 2nd mag and start carrying that too. Good luck to everyone, and keep up a good situational awareness of those around you!
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Old 07-18-2013, 09:21   #70
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Nope other then it's a good arguement to carry with one in the pipe! Just think what might have happened if he had to rack a round in! Kind of hard to do with someone sittng on you!
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Old 07-18-2013, 13:04   #71
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I carry my 17 now as much as I carry the 26...
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Old 07-18-2013, 17:15   #72
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Nope other then it's a good arguement to carry with one in the pipe! Just think what might have happened if he had to rack a round in! Kind of hard to do with someone sittng on you!
Just think of what might NOT have happened if he had been more discrete in his attempt to track down his suspect.

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Old 07-18-2013, 20:35   #73
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Just think of what might NOT have happened if he had been more discrete in his attempt to track down his suspect.
Or when looking for unusual activity he had a buddy with him. LEO's usually go on pairs for that reason so I see no reason a community crime watch would have them go in pairs.

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Old 07-18-2013, 22:52   #74
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I'm not changing anything, but it has caused me to be even more careful to stay out of other people's issues unless a life is at risk. Otherwise, it's call 911 and get out of the way.
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Or when looking for unusual activity he had a buddy with him. LEO's usually go on pairs for that reason so I see no reason a community crime watch would have them go in pairs.

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You are aware that he was on the way to the Target store to go shopping when he saw someone suspicious?
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:26   #76
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Or when looking for unusual activity he had a buddy with him. LEO's usually go on pairs for that reason so I see no reason a community crime watch would have them go in pairs.

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Neighborhood watch in my area consists of many complainers and very few doers. Doubling up is not a viable option. We are lucky to get 1 person out most times. Lots of people show up at meetings when there are crimes though.
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The aftermath (jail, trial, legal costs, threats, uncertain future, impact on family, knowledge that a life was taken, world-wide identity as controversial shooter, and more) will cause many to consider different SD methods.

The Zimmerman case will likely result in new SD products like concealable stun guns, spray products and other gear for civilians to use against threats less deadly than guns. The popularity of hand-to-hand training will increase.

This case drives home the accountability and responsibility associated with carrying a firearm and makes clear the legal and many other consequences of shooting someone. It will cause many to rethink their SD needs, tactics and preparation, including training and thinking through responses to various threat scenarios. Those who scoff at the need to rethink and reevaluate their approach to CC are carelessly risking the same plight George Zimmerman will suffer for the rest of his life.

This case is a huge opportunity for each of us to rethink and, maybe, retool our self defense strategies. It costs nothing to spend some time thinking about situational awareness, avoiding places where trouble is more likely to happen, moving to a safer environment, responding to various threat scenarios, deciding what we'll do if we observe a crime in progress. If we are a neighborhood watch volunteer, the Zimmerman case lessons are plain.
I disagree. If one goes about armed, they should have already weighed the responsibilities and their potential actions should they ever have to use that firearm. They should have already taken courses covering the laws in their state and the use of deadly force thereof. Not doing this is foolish and tantamount to courting disaster.

What the Zimmerman case did show is the virulent racism which runs rampant in the press, the current administration at the federal level (white house and DOJ) and much of the rest of the federal government, and the so-called black civil rights organizations and their race baiters and hustlers who saw this as something to advance their racist agendas an line their pockets. That's what resulted from the Z trial.
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:24   #78
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I disagree. If one goes about armed, they should have already weighed the responsibilities and their potential actions should they ever have to use that firearm. They should have already taken courses covering the laws in their state and the use of deadly force thereof. Not doing this is foolish and tantamount to courting disaster.

What the Zimmerman case did show is the virulent racism which runs rampant in the press, the current administration at the federal level (white house and DOJ) and much of the rest of the federal government, and the so-called black civil rights organizations and their race baiters and hustlers who saw this as something to advance their racist agendas an line their pockets. That's what resulted from the Z trial.
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To the OP, my carry strategy has not changed.

As SouthernBoyVA stated above, this case, and I'm paraphrasing, was about politics & race. It was never about the law being broken. Peemypants Chris Mathews apologized to all African-Americans on behalf of all white people the other day because of what Z did.



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I disagree. If one goes about armed, they should have already weighed the responsibilities and their potential actions should they ever have to use that firearm. They should have already taken courses covering the laws in their state and the use of deadly force thereof. Not doing this is foolish and tantamount to courting disaster.

What the Zimmerman case did show is the virulent racism which runs rampant in the press, the current administration at the federal level (white house and DOJ) and much of the rest of the federal government, and the so-called black civil rights organizations and their race baiters and hustlers who saw this as something to advance their racist agendas an line their pockets. That's what resulted from the Z trial.
I agree with you, and I think our statements are not diametrically opposed.

I said this case will cause people to think about the accountability and responsibility of CC for self defense. You said people who carry SHOULD ALREADY have reckoned with the consequences of shooting someone. I just think millions of people HAVE NOT carefully studied the laws nor have they considered what it might be like to be in Zimmerman's very uncomfortable shoes. Now some are waking up.

Your comments about race baiting and media bias are correct, I believe, and those conditions aren't likely to change...ever. The fact remains that if you or I shoot to defend ourselves against a black attacker, we may well be embroiled in the same mess as Zimmerman. Ignore that fact if you want, but some of us will take extra care to avoid ever being trapped in that situation or any situation where shooting in self defense is necessary.

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Or if T-ray would have actually went to Daddies house instead of planning how he would beat GZ to death! It takes two to have a fight. Both had oprotunities to change the out come of that night. One had 4 minutes to end the whole thing! But decided to commit a crime instead of going home to eat his Scittles!
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