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Old 05-20-2013, 21:24   #1
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"New" .38 Special

Remington is "reintroducing" their old standby FBI load but in plain brass cases and for a lot less money:


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598...oint-box-of-50
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Old 05-20-2013, 21:35   #2
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ballistics seem to be the same as their current "FBI" load...
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Old 05-20-2013, 21:52   #3
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Great. I roll my own and have my own mold but it is a round a recommend quite often and when folks don't find it on the shelf they pester me to load a few for them, which I don't do.

(Funny, I just put on my S&W 65 before this was posted. First time I've worn it in a long while and you can guess what it's loaded with)

Maybe the LGS will be able to keep it in stock.
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Old 05-20-2013, 22:11   #4
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You dont always need the latest and greatest designs for a good bullet. Its even moderate in short barrel revolvers. However, I do think a few serrations around the nose would help the bullet expand better and more uniform. I think it would be worthwhile to do some testing.

Anyone want to send me some loads to do some comparisons in water/gel?
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Old 05-20-2013, 22:17   #5
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Thanks for the tip. I bet they will not have a problem selling all they produce.
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Old 05-20-2013, 23:10   #6
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Great. I roll my own and have my own mold...

What's your alloy? I ask as Buffalo Bore uses Rim Rock bullets which I think are too hard as are the ones Federal loads in their FBI Load as well. The Rem. bullet appears to be swaged from pure lead. The Win. FBI Load (which was the first by the way) is between the Rem. & Fed. for hardness.
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Old 05-20-2013, 23:20   #7
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What's your alloy? I ask as Buffalo Bore uses Rim Rock bullets which I think are too hard as are the ones Federal loads in their FBI Load as well. The Rem. bullet appears to be swaged from pure lead. The Win. FBI Load (which was the first by the way) is between the Rem. & Fed. for hardness.
I have an outfit that mixes the alloy to the old "Keith/Lyman" formula, then I ice drop them from the mold. I have even annealed the noses per the Beartooth bullet method
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:01   #8
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I have an outfit that mixes the alloy to the old "Keith/Lyman" formula, then I ice drop them from the mold. I have even annealed the noses per the Beartooth bullet method

Those bullet are harder than a whore's heart quenched in water!! Why so hard?
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:09   #9
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Those bullet are harder than a whore's heart quenched in water!! Why so hard?
Several reasons.

I am loading them in .357 cases for use in a variety of revolvers and I sometimes skate on that edge of "Leading through friction/heat" at higher velocities. As long as am running at a .358 diameter I get good potential velocity and no leading. Lead can be "hard" based on the alloy mix or tempering. They have different effects in the bore however. My guns seem to prefer "tempered" hardness. when I run out of the 90# I have left, I am going to try a softer alloy with the same procedure and see if I can discover something else.

With the body that hard and the "nose" annealed I get good expansion but the body doesn't tend to deform as much as a softer bullet might so I get a more straight-line penetration if I end up taking deer with it. I use the same for my .44s and .41s I like lead bullets for hunting but don't want to mess with gas checks and having GC base molds.



A couple of my guns prefer harder bullets a certain velocities.

Reloading and casting are a series of experiments to me and so far the ice method with the annealing step is providing good results so the next thing is tinkering with the alloy.

Hardening the bullet tend to level things out if using "scrap" lead. I keep one furnace for my specific alloy and one for "scrap".
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:51   #10
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http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell_Book_Chapter_7_Leading.htm
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:51   #11
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Nice.

I stopped seeing cases of the .38 Rem LHP +P in quantities about the time the Airlite model offerings were really starting to multiply. The state contract also started listed one or another JHP load, so that was what was being stocked.

That was too bad, as I always liked the softer swaged Rem load (followed by the Win offering, with the Fed Nyclad following that). I think I only have maybe 1-2 boxes of the Rem left over. (I actually have more of the Win loading available at the moment.)

I'd not be adverse to adding another several boxes to my ammo supply if this new offering hits the pipeline any time soon, depending on the price charged due to the current "market conditions".

Granted, I typically use some of the newer 125gr, 130gr & 135gr loadings being offered by the major makers, but that old 158gr all-lead LSWCHP has always shot rather well in my older 649 (.38) and 642's, and it was a pretty mild load in my 6-shot .357's, too. (Cleaning lead out of cylinder charge holes and forcing cones isn't my favorite pastime, though. )

It built a pretty decent reputation for itself over the years, even when used in the short barreled snubs.
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Old 05-21-2013, 16:17   #12
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Way Cool!!! I may stick with 125 gr +Ps for a while, I have like 200 rounds.

My LGS has some Federal in the "reduced for sale" bin, looks like just damaged boxes.
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Old 05-21-2013, 19:11   #13
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There seems to be a whole new line of pistol ammo from Remington on their website called High Terminal Performance which includes the 38 LSWCHP+P. How new it is I don't know. It will be interesting to see what is consists of when it eventually becomes available.
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Old 05-21-2013, 23:18   #14
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I'd not be adverse to adding another several boxes to my ammo supply if this new offering hits the pipeline any time soon, depending on the price charged due to the current "market conditions".
...'averse.' Just trying to help, don't get mad. I'll PM you when I have to pick between 'lay, lie, lain,' which I always forget.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:27   #15
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Good to know, thanks.

Big fan of this load.

Still have some boxes of this that I have been hoarding for the wife to load in her S&W 19.

Always happy to see new sources of resupply.
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:21   #16
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...'averse.' Just trying to help, don't get mad. I'll PM you when I have to pick between 'lay, lie, lain,' which I always forget.
You're absolutely correct. I use adverse a lot, but averse only seldom, and it's a lot easier to let busy fingers making keystrokes hit familiar key patterns, and miss a misspelled word, than it is to take the effort to write out a word (when it's easier for me to "feel" when its misspelled).
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:15   #17
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...'averse.' Just trying to help, don't get mad. I'll PM you when I have to pick between 'lay, lie, lain,' which I always forget.

"I cannot lie for I have lain with her and one great lay it was!!!"


How's that?
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Old 05-22-2013, 20:21   #18
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Just FYI, midway has some boxes of UMC FMJ (clean plinking) for $93.99 for 250. Not the best for defense, but should be much cleaner than a swc.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/752...-_-ProductLink

I got the email at 3:00 PM today, and they are still there at 9:21 PM.

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Old 05-23-2013, 00:01   #19
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great!!! would love to grab a few boxes, but probably won't see the stuff til mid-2014 with the way things are right now
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Just FYI, midway has some boxes of UMC FMJ (clean plinking) for $93.99 for 250. Not the best for defense, but should be much cleaner than a swc.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/752...-_-ProductLink

I got the email at 3:00 PM today, and they are still there at 9:21 PM.
Wow, this one is pushing almost a day still instock for a large box of UMC target ammo. I haven't seen that in a VERY long time, especially at normal prices.

I wonder if I am missing something.
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