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Old 07-06-2013, 20:59   #51
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Reliable witness saw a smoke/exhaust trail originating from the open waters. The trail was headed directly at the aircraft before this occurred.
Oh no you didn't...
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Old 07-06-2013, 21:38   #52
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The only reliable witness they have are the United 747 pilots waiting for take off at the end of 28L.

The bubble headed bleach blond that came on at five said the plane came to a stop upside down, and passengers were going down the slides.
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Old 07-06-2013, 21:49   #53
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This incident highlights the problem with eyewitness testimony. CNN interviewed a guy who saw the crash. He said the wings broke off and the plane cartwheeled. I am sure that is what he thought he saw, but pictures of the plane post crash clearly show those things didn't happen.
Can we add this post to the TWA800 thread and the 'eye witnesses' who saw a missile?
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:19   #54
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Crud, <edit, edit, edit> Rick Fulbaum is interviewing an attorney about the crash "If it was an unforeseen complete accident"

The weasel basically said that he had never seen an accident where he couldn't find someone to sue.

When SHTF, the lawyers go first.
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:35   #55
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The only reliable witness they have are the United 747 pilots waiting for take off at the end of 28L.

Yep, and I have been on contact with one of them..Not a good scene...
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:36   #56
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It was Bush's fault.
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:38   #57
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Maybe that pilot shouldve ...

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Uh huh, just for you.

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Old 07-06-2013, 22:40   #58
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Yep, and I have been on contact with one of them..Not a good scene...
I hope she's doing well. I saw a Baron crash in Flagstaff in 1992, I couldn't sleep for 2 weeks.
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:43   #59
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I hope she's doing well. I saw a Baron crash in Flagstaff in 1992, I couldn't sleep for 2 weeks.
He is doing well thanks...

I would not enjoy seeing either one of those incidents...

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Old 07-06-2013, 23:17   #60
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Now that would make sense. Darn robust radios. Secondary or emergency system?
No, #1 VHF (the captain's) normally runs off the battery if you lose all the other electrical sources.
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Old 07-07-2013, 00:21   #61
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That looks suspiciously similar...

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Old 07-07-2013, 04:55   #62
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That looks suspiciously similar...

Has been examined.

The BAC crash was blamed on engine failures from frozen slush fuel.

The AAR crash has witnesses citing that the pilots came up on the power too little, too late, but that the engines did respond.

Main body of opinion seems to be a bad visual approach 'cuz there were no visual aids and no glideslope in operation.

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Old 07-07-2013, 04:59   #63
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Not if the glideslope was out of service!
Calm down slick,.......I think he was making a joke about the Pilot's ability to land WITHOUT the glide slope.
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Old 07-07-2013, 05:21   #64
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What happened to the left engine? Is it in the water?
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Old 07-07-2013, 05:30   #65
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Read a report that it rolled away and ended up midfield, too far away to show up in the close up pix of the plane.

The Okie Corral

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Old 07-07-2013, 08:05   #66
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Eerie...

At least the pilot flying the 777 I was on yesterday made a good landing.

I fly on 777s a lot.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:50   #67
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Surprising to me after all these years

that SFO, or any major airport for that matter doesn't have video recorders setup for each incoming and departing flight.
Not that they have to have retention times that are all that long.

Just have extremely High Def. recordings of ALL take-offs and landings.

All this conjecture and having to review flight recorders, etc..

It would be great to have a look-see back in time immediately to witness exactly the way it went down.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:33   #68
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that SFO, or any major airport for that matter doesn't have video recorders setup for each incoming and departing flight.
They don't?
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:09   #69
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No video cameras is needed for this accident, NTSB will have this all wrap up by Monday. I hate to throw the pilots under the bus, but I think those guys are toast.
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Old 07-07-2013, 12:35   #70
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Read a report that it rolled away and ended up midfield, too far away to show up in the close up pix of the plane.

The Okie Corral

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I just want you to know, we're all counting on you. Good luck.

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Old 07-07-2013, 12:48   #71
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Yeah, if you look at the last 8 or so readings on the tracklog, HERE, you can see he was diving pretty hard from 1400 to 300 feet. (Normal descent rate is 700 fpm.) He would have been unspooled at that descent rate and wouldn't have had time to spool up when he realized he was too low.
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Old 07-07-2013, 13:01   #72
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Calm down slick,.......I think he was making a joke about the Pilot's ability to land WITHOUT the glide slope.
the localizer?
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Old 07-07-2013, 13:04   #73
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No video cameras is needed for this accident, NTSB will have this all wrap up by Monday. I hate to throw the pilots under the bus, but I think those guys are toast.
I'm not a pilot but I remember Neil Armstrong's admonition:

When in doubt, land long.

why try to buy every inch of the runway. Scoot over the end of the runway and put it down a little later. You can always put the brakes on harder or deploy the thrust reversers a little longer.
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Old 07-07-2013, 13:14   #74
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I'm not a pilot but I remember Neil Armstrong's admonition:

When in doubt, land long.

why try to buy every inch of the runway. Scoot over the end of the runway and put it down a little later. You can always put the brakes on harder or deploy the thrust reversers a little longer.
LOL right. Try putting a transport category jet down on a 4494 ft runway and see how that works out for you.
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Old 07-07-2013, 13:14   #75
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From the skimpy reports I've read, it sounds like what we used to call the ILS was definitely out of service. But didn't that airport have VASI lights (Visual Approach Slope Indicator lights)? Were they also out of service?

Coming in for a landing from over water changes a pilots visual picture a little. I remember landing westbound at Guam (Anderson). That was quite a different picture than a normal landing. Especially that 600 foot cliff you were flying towards the edge of, from over water.
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