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Old 07-06-2013, 16:01   #26
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I think it would be great to couple that "eyewitness" statement (not "testimony" BTW) with the pictures as a permanent example of the reliability of witness statements.
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Hope everyone is ok.

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Obviously, it flew from Korean airspace without a tail and the left engine. The event was staged to cover this up. Obama staged this after learning that a North Korean Mig shot off the engine and tail in order to start the next Korean War. The even had the Illuminati apparatchik on board ( present on all commercial flights ) to ignite the cabin with thermite charges after landing to destroy any iPads with evidence of the Mig.
Don't forget the N.S.A. generated holograms...
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Old 07-06-2013, 16:14   #27
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I wonder if the fatalities are members of the flight crew.
Dotter works 777s and wondered the same thing, cuz the tail broke off and she works in the far aft galley.

I showed her a pix with the aft bulkhead intact, so the break didn't involve occupied areas.

Second loss of a 777 hull. First was a crash at Heathrow.

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Old 07-06-2013, 16:19   #28
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The 777 has an auto land feature........looks an awful lot like a failure.
Glide slope was drastically incorrect
GS for 28L and 28R was OTS today.

Cat II and Cat III auto land are not usually perform on clear days.
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Old 07-06-2013, 16:23   #29
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GS for 28L and 28R was OTS today.

Cat II and Cat III auto land are not usually perform on clear days.
Maybe that pilot shouldve ...

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Looks like a ramp strike. Could the left engine be in the water?
The CW film clip is a helicopter shot that shows a ramp strike on the seawall, and an immediate debris trail.

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Old 07-06-2013, 16:56   #31
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Peolsi or Feinstein onboard????

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Old 07-06-2013, 17:00   #32
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A lot of crazy speculation here. It looks like the pilot fell short of the runway, also off center of the runway... whether it was pilot error or some weather factor (i.e. wind sheer/ crosswind, microburst, etc) is hard to know. But clearly the empanage struck the edge of the runway far short of the mark.

I'm a flight attendant (NOT an expert), but it looks to me like all doors except the far aft galley-side door were opened and slides deployed. That indicates to me that the flight crew in the rear not only survived, but got the back door opened. My assumption is that the aft galley door was damaged and would not open.

It seems that a full evacuation was successful, CUDOS to the flight crew for a highly successful evacuation!
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Old 07-06-2013, 17:27   #33
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Press conference indicated 2 fatalities, 60 or so unaccounted for, and some of the people in hospital are in critical condition.
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Old 07-06-2013, 17:31   #34
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Press conference indicated 2 fatalities, 60 or so unaccounted for, and some of the people in hospital are in critical condition.
It'll be a miracle if those are the only fatalities. Hopefully so.
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Old 07-06-2013, 17:47   #35
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It'll be a miracle if those are the only fatalities. Hopefully so.
God willing. What a mess :(


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Old 07-06-2013, 19:16   #36
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Wow the overhead view of the crash site up now on Drudge is incredible. Amazing how short a distance it went after hitting the ground short of the runway before stopping. Incredible so many were able to walk away.
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Haven't looked at the news coverage in a couple of hours. But I saw a report of a descent rate of about 1400 FPM on short final. That's twice normal rate or more. And I saw a report, obviously confirmed by physical evidence shown on news coverage, that the nose was high and the tail struck first.

My opinion, possible engine(s) loss or the pilot messed up.
For one reason or another, out of airspeed and about stall speed, or below when he came in. He sure didn't slide far. And major fire didn't break out, apparently, until most people got out. Wonder what his fuel status was? Just guessing.
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Old 07-06-2013, 19:43   #38
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Or maybe a 300 hours wonders sitting in the right seat that landed the plane.
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Or maybe a 300 hours wonders sitting in the right seat that landed the plane.
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:09   #40
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Did anyone else hear and see the exchange between the pilot & tower before the accident? It was on CNN before. Seemed clear they were well aware of an issue b4 landing as they had the emergency gear rolling already- before touchdown. Nothing about that on tv now....
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:28   #41
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Then the flight recorders will be 'verry interesting' .....

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Old 07-06-2013, 20:38   #42
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Maybe that pilot shouldve ...

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Old 07-06-2013, 20:40   #43
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Audio on page below as a tweet.....http://www.liveatc.net/

"Interesting indeed"

http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:44   #44
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That's not the equipment rolling before the incident, that's the crew calling ATC after the crash. SOP to call the tower and try and figure out where the fire is so you don't evac the PAX into a pool of burning fuel.

HERE's the audio, the crash happens 39 seconds in.
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:49   #45
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I think it would be great to couple that "eyewitness" statement (not "testimony" BTW) with the pictures as a permanent example of the reliability of witness statements.

Reliable witness saw a smoke/exhaust trail originating from the open waters. The trail was headed directly at the aircraft before this occurred.
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:52   #46
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Audio on page below as a tweet.....http://www.liveatc.net/

"Interesting indeed"

http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
Sounds to me like the pilot is calling in after the plane crashed.
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Reliable witness saw a smoke/exhaust trail originating from the open waters. The trail was headed directly at the aircraft before this occurred.
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Old 07-06-2013, 20:53   #48
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That's not the equipment rolling before the incident, that's the crew calling ATC after the crash. SOP to call the tower and try and figure out where the fire is so you don't evac the PAX into a pool of burning fuel.

HERE's the audio, the crash happens 39 seconds in.
Now that would make sense. Darn robust radios. Secondary or emergency system?
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Sounds like a terrorist strike by the Muslim Brotherhood to avenge American perfidy in Egypt.
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Not sure what happened, but the audio demonstrates that the tower controller did a great job. After the mishap he continued to not only communicate with the crashed aircraft, but also continue to clear other aircraft.
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