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Old 07-09-2013, 17:02   #41
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All reasons mentioned there are secondary to, "Because your a fat, lazy lardass who couldn't do 10 pullups in a row to save his life." If that applies to you, THAT is why you wouldn't survive the coming collapse.
Yeah but you are going to argue that Java the Hut kept princess Leia naked on a leash right?
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Old 07-09-2013, 17:03   #42
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It's not like he's wrong, though, is it?

Just not the most subtle way to put it.

However, those of us who have to recognize and take into account physical issues, disabilities, etc can still plan to function effectively.

Lazy? Not so much chance, perhaps, to being able to function effectively. Lazy can trump everything else, especially if "laziness" stopped you from making any attempts at preparation, training, developing skillsets, etc.

Lazy and in poor physical condition without any justifiable reason? Ditto.
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Old 07-09-2013, 17:12   #43
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It's not like he's wrong, though, is it?

Just not the most subtle way to put it.

However, those of us who have to recognize and take into account physical issues, disabilities, etc can still plan to function effectively.

Lazy? Not so much chance, perhaps, to being able to function effectively. Lazy can trump everything else, especially if "laziness" stopped you from making any attempts at preparation, training, developing skillsets, etc.

Lazy and in poor physical condition without any justifiable reason? Ditto.
I don't know how it will effect an economic collapse, that would depend on what you do for a living and if that would make you the first guy fired so to speak. But say you are a judge, what would it matter.

Now me, I am on the Nordic track for 1 hour and 1 or 2 seconds every single day and do some other more practical workout every day too. I have no idea what I could end up doing, glad my wife has a stable job.
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Old 07-10-2013, 17:04   #44
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Think about this, the people who say a collapse can never happen probably only had two boxes of ammo and are blaming preppers/hoarders and the like for buying it all up....same doubters have spent a lot of money trying to stock a little ammo during current crisis and would have said a year ago that this current crisis would never happen.....never say never, it will always make you look foolish and bite you in the ass.....
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Old 07-10-2013, 17:15   #45
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A good SHTF plan is good wimmin folk who are healthy and strong enough to crank out lots of babies ! Those skinny anorexic model types will die off in a couple months . Maybe those Russian boys are right luvin' on those strong round wimmin folk !!!
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Damn I hate a Nordic Track. One of the first things I bought on eBay, right after I retired. Just went back to regular Army style workouts, minus the running. Ride a bike for cardio. That way there may be some chance I have knees left when I need them.
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Old 07-10-2013, 18:03   #47
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Damn I hate a Nordic Track. One of the first things I bought on eBay, right after I retired. Just went back to regular Army style workouts, minus the running. Ride a bike for cardio. That way there may be some chance I have knees left when I need them.
I use the elliptical Nordic Track and have for years. I used to run but it started to bother my back so I decided to try an elliptical and love them!

Oddly enough the first one that I bought broke a couple of times, it was a Pro Form but made by Nordic Track. When I called to have it fixed the second time under warranty the guy asked me how big I was and how much I used it. At the time I weighed about 220 (6'3") and I was using it for 45 minutes each day.

He told me that the only one that they make to actually be used is the Nordic Track brand and credited me towards one of those. I laughed with the guy at the fact that they made a product that they knew would see very little use. I get about 7 years out of them and then take them to the curb.
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Old 07-10-2013, 18:29   #48
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"Why reinvent the wheel: Do as the Native American Indians did and survive the coming collapse."

The foregoing is the title of another article from that website.

It is in the form of an assertion.

I want you to assume: 1. you personally have the skills of every American Indian tribe from 1800; 2. every member of your nuclear family has the same skills; and, 3. shtf has happened.

In response to the assertion:

1. Do you think that the lack of preparation by other people will have an effect upon you? Think!

2. Will you have the same geographical features and resources of 1800? Again, think.

3. Is the population density (both immediate and future) in your area of operations/retreat/redoubt the same as in 1800?

Discussion about American Indians.

Prior to the introduction of the horse by the Spaniards, the Great Plains Indians lived on the banks of shallow, wide seasonal rivers. They planted crops. If they hunted buffalo, it was by herding them over cliffs. When the horse came along, the culture changed.

In the eastern forests, the Sioux were driven out onto the Great Plains. They adopted the horse and adapted their life style to the same. If the horse had not come along, the Sioux would have been a footnote in history.

Just like other instances in world history, the American Indian adapted to the survival circumstances presented.

When shtf, the uneducated, unskilled, unorganized masses will adapt. They may be behind you in skills at the beginning of shtf, and the survivors thereof will gain them.

You can assume that your potential opposition will remain static in their thinking and skills - and die.

It is important, however, that you have certain skills that the typical American Indian had:
1. identifying local edible plants;
2. being able to track animals and humans (a subset of animals);
3. knowing how to trap;
4. knowing how to construct a shelter;
5. knowing how to make implements;
6. knowing how to make clothing. Just a few of the skills.

So, do you know the local edible plants? Can you track animals and people? Do you know how to make clothing? If you don't, then you aren't up the food chain far enough.
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Think about this, the people who say a collapse can never happen probably only had two boxes of ammo and are blaming preppers/hoarders and the like for buying it all up...
Yep. I make a point of reminding folks that it's because some of us already ARE stocked up that we can stand back, stay out of the stampede and NOT exacerbate the current shortage.

And then I tell them, "you're welcome"...
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there is a coming collapse Survival/Preparedness Forum
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Old 07-10-2013, 23:45   #51
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Yep. I make a point of reminding folks that it's because some of us already ARE stocked up that we can stand back, stay out of the stampede and NOT exacerbate the current shortage.

And then I tell them, "you're welcome"...
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