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Old 07-08-2013, 10:23   #26
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When society breaks down. Luck and fate will control everything. Wrong place wrong time. Right place right time. Golden bb.
Remember reading a survival fiction about a guy who had prepped to the max, and when TSHTF, he looked up and saw a nuke warhead coming down from the sky, right towards his encampment. End of Story. . .
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:20   #28
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:59   #29
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:44   #30
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Cowboy's, Farmers and Soldier's...comparing 1800's to today is pretty far fetched...anyone can stock a decent amount of medication for an emergency, medications that were not available in 1800's.....A garden can be done and maintained with hand tools....and Soldier's even in our modern times die of many things, battlefield injuries, suicide, vehicle accidents and so on.....the technology has changed, but the deaths occur anyway....population compared now to 1800's is far different and percentage is probably not far off in a population comparison. Surviving takes many things....the un-prepared will suffer more injuries, sickness and death compared to those who do prepare....having the brain power to access risk and gains will keep the thinkers alive and the idiots dying....those who think it can never happen to them need to be aware that no one in New Orleans thought it would happen either, having a 30 day supply of food and water especially if you have a family is the only smart thing to do.....
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OK, i read the link.

So..is he just trying to motivate people? Seems to me he has a pretty piss poor attitude/opinion of his ilk if he is being honest. Sure he points out some very common weaknesses that EVERYONE could see, yet offers no insight.
I'd expect something like THIS:

"OK- but you are one of MY readers, and you are not going out like that. Get a yellow note pad and a pen, and write down your four greatest weaknesess, come up with a 1 year plan to minimize them"

Fitness- Something physical EVERY day. STOP going to the gym to create show muscle- use your own body to build it. Cardio. Use skills training as cardio ( boxing). Incorperate sprints into firearms work. stop eating crap. Jesus-you are not a smoker, are you?

Food- Take and inventory of all food products that your family eats for the next 2 weeks, and include hygiene supplies. Make a good list, ELIMINATE crap foods, and DUPLICATE these two weeks intervals. Learn to garden, NOW.

WATER: locate a local supply, and find and buy the largest containers for potable H2) you can. Fill them. Invest in at least one Katydyne portable filter, and consider a larger non portable type as well. Scout, douse, or otherwise locate an additional source of water, and develop it. Say you have a small stream/trickle of water, clean and expand it into a catch pool lines with stone, with easy access, perhaps with gravity piping water closer to the house in the summer months.

Build and outhouse, and discontinue use of the toilet in your house.

Practice with firearms, dryfire, at least weekly.

if you are not in a location that allows all this MOVE. Don't tell me why you CANNOT- IF you TRULY think SWHTF, and you think you can survive, DO IT. "


Something along these lines would be more useful than telling everyone who is active in the community that they are dead, regardless of what they do. This just makes me think he is inclined to present himself as the solution guy.
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Old 07-08-2013, 16:35   #32
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stalingrad,bataan,etc

people have survived worse.... if all you did was store three years supply of white rice and three years supply of Crisco...you and your family would not starve...and if you stocked a supply of multi vitamins and had a good field book with color photos of edible plants in your AO and perhaps supplemented your subsistence rations with doping/trapping/snaring/pellet gun/slingshot. etc, you would do a bit better... everything after that is an improvement...including a garden, fruit trees, etc... there are free online lists of non perishable foods that easily last ten years or more, then there's canned goods, rotate....

Don't go gentle into that good night..patriots!
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In order for those 6 things to be true one has to believe that there is actually going to be a "collapse" of society. One has to believe that for whatever reason, we revert back to the 19th century and everything built up to this point simply goes away; that manufacturing tops, that people no longer produce food, that transportation and distribution systems disappear. At worst we will live at a lower standard of living when the powers that be create the socialist utopia they are striving for.

I've been listening to that collapse of society/end of the world crap for 45 years and it ain't gonna happen.

Prepare for what is likely to happen, i.e, natural and man made disasters which are local or regional in scope. That is what is going to kill you, not some zombie, mutant biker hoard from outer space who rode to earth on a asteroid which crashed into the Yellowstone caldera.
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In order for those 6 things to be true one has to believe that there is actually going to be a "collapse" of society. One has to believe that for whatever reason, we revert back to the 19th century and everything built up to this point simply goes away; that manufacturing tops, that people no longer produce food, that transportation and distribution systems disappear. At worst we will live at a lower standard of living when the powers that be create the socialist utopia they are striving for.

I've been listening to that collapse of society/end of the world crap for 45 years and it ain't gonna happen.

Prepare for what is likely to happen, i.e, natural and man made disasters which are local or regional in scope. That is what is going to kill you, not some zombie, mutant biker hoard from outer space who rode to earth on a asteroid which crashed into the Yellowstone caldera.
BUT.. if you ready for that.. the county water treatment plant going down is no big deal...
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All this doom, gloom and despair isn't really going to matter if something like shtf ever happens. In that moment you can sit there and give up or you can get-on and live in whatever way you can. Maybe it will be 6 months maybe It will be 6 years, who knows. It doesn't matter what happened to the "cowboys" or some tribe in the congo. The only thing that will matter is what options I have [right now] and what decisions I need to make.
Yep! I have two kids (9 & 13) so you can bet I'll do whatever I can to help them survive, even if I don't. What other options are there?
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people have survived worse.... if all you did was store three years supply of white rice and three years supply of Crisco...you and your family would not starve...and if you stocked a supply of multi vitamins and had a good field book with color photos of edible plants in your AO and perhaps supplemented your subsistence rations with doping/trapping/snaring/pellet gun/slingshot. etc, you would do a bit better... everything after that is an improvement...including a garden, fruit trees, etc... there are free online lists of non perishable foods that easily last ten years or more, then there's canned goods, rotate....

Don't go gentle into that good night..patriots!

Great post. I am a firm believer that the currency is going to inflate but I don't think that anything will happen that we can't live through... it's just about how well we each will live through it.
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...believe that for whatever reason, we revert back to the 19th century and everything built up to this point simply goes away; that manufacturing tops, that people no longer produce food, that transportation and distribution systems disappear. At worst we will live at a lower standard of living when the powers that be create the socialist utopia they are striving for.

I've been listening to that collapse of society/end of the world crap for 45 years and it ain't gonna happen.

Prepare for what is likely to happen, i.e, natural and man made disasters which are local or regional in scope. That is what is going to kill you, not some zombie, mutant biker hoard from outer space who rode to earth on a asteroid which crashed into the Yellowstone caldera.
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BUT.. if you ready for that.. the county water treatment plant going down is no big deal...
+1 to both of those, with the caveat that long-term (Argentina-esque, WW2-esque) situations play in my mind, and so because of that I do tend to 'want' more long-term non-dependent capability than a lot of people do.

After seeing a decade of privation in Argentina, listening to my father's stories of ww2 europe, seeing our national economic landscape go the direction it has, and seeing the economic issues of numerous other countries lately, I definitely want MUCH more than the 72-hours to 90-days often espoused. Do I think it's a given that someone will EMP us back to wild west days, or that we'll experience a continent-wide (or planet-wide) CME that will throw us into a feudal or commune-like society with no manufacturing or long-range communication? No, I don't think they're probable, I do have to admit they're not completely impossible.

And I confess that the cheapskate part of my brain does fantasize about "wouldn't it be nice to now be eating groceries that were bought at 1985 prices" and "wouldn't it be nice to be shooting .22 shells bought at 1985 prices", etc. Fact is, the 7.62x39 we're shooting now was bought at 1992 prices; $88 for 1280 rounds, iirc. Did any of us think that bulk packs of .22 shells from walmart that were $8.96 five years ago, would now be seen this year for $50-$100 at gun shows? I certainly didn't.

Makes me wonder (assuming I'm still alive) how good it might feel in 20 years to be shooting bulk ammo bought "at 2008 prices". And if I'm not alive, frankly makes me feel even better to think that my boys and their kids might be able to.

Sorry for the ramble - just my babbling way of saying that even though someone doesn't necessarily expect a throwback to stone-age or frontier times, a superficial glance at their approach to preps might lead to false assumptions about what they do expect.
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All reasons mentioned there are secondary to, "Because your a fat, lazy lardass who couldn't do 10 pullups in a row to save his life." If that applies to you, THAT is why you wouldn't survive the coming collapse.

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All reasons mentioned there are secondary to, "Because your a fat, lazy lardass who couldn't do 10 pullups in a row to save his life." If that applies to you, THAT is why you wouldn't survive the coming collapse.
Yeah but you are going to argue that Java the Hut kept princess Leia naked on a leash right?
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It's not like he's wrong, though, is it?

Just not the most subtle way to put it.

However, those of us who have to recognize and take into account physical issues, disabilities, etc can still plan to function effectively.

Lazy? Not so much chance, perhaps, to being able to function effectively. Lazy can trump everything else, especially if "laziness" stopped you from making any attempts at preparation, training, developing skillsets, etc.

Lazy and in poor physical condition without any justifiable reason? Ditto.
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It's not like he's wrong, though, is it?

Just not the most subtle way to put it.

However, those of us who have to recognize and take into account physical issues, disabilities, etc can still plan to function effectively.

Lazy? Not so much chance, perhaps, to being able to function effectively. Lazy can trump everything else, especially if "laziness" stopped you from making any attempts at preparation, training, developing skillsets, etc.

Lazy and in poor physical condition without any justifiable reason? Ditto.
I don't know how it will effect an economic collapse, that would depend on what you do for a living and if that would make you the first guy fired so to speak. But say you are a judge, what would it matter.

Now me, I am on the Nordic track for 1 hour and 1 or 2 seconds every single day and do some other more practical workout every day too. I have no idea what I could end up doing, glad my wife has a stable job.
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Think about this, the people who say a collapse can never happen probably only had two boxes of ammo and are blaming preppers/hoarders and the like for buying it all up....same doubters have spent a lot of money trying to stock a little ammo during current crisis and would have said a year ago that this current crisis would never happen.....never say never, it will always make you look foolish and bite you in the ass.....
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A good SHTF plan is good wimmin folk who are healthy and strong enough to crank out lots of babies ! Those skinny anorexic model types will die off in a couple months . Maybe those Russian boys are right luvin' on those strong round wimmin folk !!!
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Damn I hate a Nordic Track. One of the first things I bought on eBay, right after I retired. Just went back to regular Army style workouts, minus the running. Ride a bike for cardio. That way there may be some chance I have knees left when I need them.
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Damn I hate a Nordic Track. One of the first things I bought on eBay, right after I retired. Just went back to regular Army style workouts, minus the running. Ride a bike for cardio. That way there may be some chance I have knees left when I need them.
I use the elliptical Nordic Track and have for years. I used to run but it started to bother my back so I decided to try an elliptical and love them!

Oddly enough the first one that I bought broke a couple of times, it was a Pro Form but made by Nordic Track. When I called to have it fixed the second time under warranty the guy asked me how big I was and how much I used it. At the time I weighed about 220 (6'3") and I was using it for 45 minutes each day.

He told me that the only one that they make to actually be used is the Nordic Track brand and credited me towards one of those. I laughed with the guy at the fact that they made a product that they knew would see very little use. I get about 7 years out of them and then take them to the curb.
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"Why reinvent the wheel: Do as the Native American Indians did and survive the coming collapse."

The foregoing is the title of another article from that website.

It is in the form of an assertion.

I want you to assume: 1. you personally have the skills of every American Indian tribe from 1800; 2. every member of your nuclear family has the same skills; and, 3. shtf has happened.

In response to the assertion:

1. Do you think that the lack of preparation by other people will have an effect upon you? Think!

2. Will you have the same geographical features and resources of 1800? Again, think.

3. Is the population density (both immediate and future) in your area of operations/retreat/redoubt the same as in 1800?

Discussion about American Indians.

Prior to the introduction of the horse by the Spaniards, the Great Plains Indians lived on the banks of shallow, wide seasonal rivers. They planted crops. If they hunted buffalo, it was by herding them over cliffs. When the horse came along, the culture changed.

In the eastern forests, the Sioux were driven out onto the Great Plains. They adopted the horse and adapted their life style to the same. If the horse had not come along, the Sioux would have been a footnote in history.

Just like other instances in world history, the American Indian adapted to the survival circumstances presented.

When shtf, the uneducated, unskilled, unorganized masses will adapt. They may be behind you in skills at the beginning of shtf, and the survivors thereof will gain them.

You can assume that your potential opposition will remain static in their thinking and skills - and die.

It is important, however, that you have certain skills that the typical American Indian had:
1. identifying local edible plants;
2. being able to track animals and humans (a subset of animals);
3. knowing how to trap;
4. knowing how to construct a shelter;
5. knowing how to make implements;
6. knowing how to make clothing. Just a few of the skills.

So, do you know the local edible plants? Can you track animals and people? Do you know how to make clothing? If you don't, then you aren't up the food chain far enough.
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Think about this, the people who say a collapse can never happen probably only had two boxes of ammo and are blaming preppers/hoarders and the like for buying it all up...
Yep. I make a point of reminding folks that it's because some of us already ARE stocked up that we can stand back, stay out of the stampede and NOT exacerbate the current shortage.

And then I tell them, "you're welcome"...
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