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Old 06-26-2013, 13:41   #61
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I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
You and the revisionist history movement that's been hard at it in recent times, are part of the problem. I suggest you move to Iran were people are kindly told they have to be a certain religion or else.
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Old 06-26-2013, 13:44   #62
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You think? It's been illustrated in this thread that a sizable number of people do.
Seems that way, doesn't it?

Having been both a registered democrat and republican (in that order), I finally had enough of the heavy influence of the "religious right" in the republican party and changed my voter registration over to independent.

It really seems to puzzle family, friends, peers, acquaintances and even many new folks I meet how I can agree with different things among both "conservatives" & "liberals", and yet be unwilling to pigeon-hole myself as either one.

By this time in my life I'm simply unwilling to allow myself to be told what particular dogma I must agree to support in a knee jerk manner.

Then again, a staunchly conservative registered libertarian friend of my age recently congratulated me on becoming an independent.
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Old 06-26-2013, 13:48   #63
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You and the revisionist history movement that's been hard at it in recent times, are part of the problem. .
That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
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Old 06-26-2013, 13:50   #64
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I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
No, we were not, have not been, and should not be.
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That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
(Article 6, section 3 of the US Constitution)

Does that clause sound like something a Christian Nation would include in their constitution?

How about the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli, less than 20 years after the founding of the country and only 13 years after the end of the Revolutionary War (John Adams, President, signed):
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.



....unless you consider 13 years to be "revisionist history".
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That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
I do not expect you to see it differently. One of the hallmarks of the Christian right is the fondness for whining about their culture being walked over, while simultaneously telling other people what they can or can't do.
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"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
(Article 6, section 3 of the US Constitution)

Does that clause sound like something a Christian Nation would include in their constitution?

We were founded as a Christian Nation but no where does it say you have to be Christian.

The public education system obviously let you (and many others here it seems) down. Here is a good place to start:


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I do not expect you to see it differently. One of the hallmarks of the Christian right is the fondness for whining about their culture being walked over, while simultaneously telling other people what they can or can't do.

I'm not a Christian. But I do know American History.
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So you are not a Christian, but you demand that we let the far right run the country in a Christian fashion?




...and you definitely do NOT know American history. Civil Liberties Issues

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We were founded as a Christian Nation but no where does it say you have to be Christian.
Now, please, go back to my updated post and counter the statement, signed and affirmed by President Adams, that says differently. Keep in mind that not only did the President sign it, but it had to be affirmed by the Senate at the time, as well, since it was a Treaty.
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The Gingrichs? Really?

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Old 06-26-2013, 14:14   #73
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A sad day for America. At least CA has it right.
Yes, that pesky 14th Amendment. No one should receive equal treatment under the law.
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I'm extending a marriage proposal to any, or all of you, right now.

Just think, "we" can now be treated just like the old fashioned and outdated traditional family, AND "we" can now rake in all those government benefits that used to be reserved for married folks.

Let's get married and get our fair share of the government teat.
Somebody else has to pay for it, but what the hell it's not really their money anyway.

Any takers?

I'll buy you a nice ring and we can honeymoon at the local Motel 6.

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Only if you're the catcher . . .

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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
Read the decision. Its based on equal treatment clause of the 14th Amendment.
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Old 06-26-2013, 14:18   #76
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Read the decision. Its based on equal treatment clause of the 14th Amendment.
Gays have the same rights straight people do.
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Equal protections clause.

I'm glad this happened. They have as much right as the rest of us to be miserable.
HAHAHA I was just about to say the same thing. For me it was some elderly neighbor of my cousin, who I think was drunk when he said it.

Gay/Straight don't make me no difference its them BI & TRI men who get me nervous.
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That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
The Treaty of Tripoli, written in 1796, would say you're wrong.



Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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The only part that gets me, is why would the gays and lesbefriends purposely invite The Man into their relationships?

That's a dumb move to me.
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