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Old 06-26-2013, 12:13   #51
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Who are the 'Constitutional Republicans' you are talking about. Cruz and Paul are the only ones I can think of. The rest are just Democrats posing as Repubs.
I'm willing to wager there are plenty more that aren't as vocal about their social beliefs because they're forced to pander to the more religiously conservative members of the party/electorate.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:32   #52
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Damn straight.

Hey...why'd you change your post?
Fixed a typo and I think I added another sentence to the third paragraph. I usually edit posts to fix typos - I do tend to make a lot of them.
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Don't forget. The decision will drive our benefit cost higher! Wahoooo, what an exciting time is it!?
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:44   #54
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Don't forget. The decision will drive our benefit cost higher! Wahoooo, what an exciting time is it!?
Yes, because all decisions in life - like falling in love with someone, getting married, etc, straight or gay - should be based on how it affects YOUR pocket book. When I married my wife, she became eligible for benefits under my Army Reserve medical. I apologize that I didn't call you for permission to get married.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:51   #55
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Yeah,

Lets go back in time where people were bought and sold as slaves. Where during the industrial revolution there were no safety standards, health benefits or fair wages, where the motto of the filthy rich was 'you don't have to work for me if you don't want to', when employees were working 12-16 hour days and dying because of hazardous working conditions.

Lets go back just 100 years where immigrants like the Irish were considered lazy and worthless (when it was society that kept them from being prosperous).

Lets go back in time and enjoy the poor health standards and forgo modern sanitation... Where buckets of effluent was tossed in the street... Because people didn't care about others who may have to walk through it, they only cared about themselves.

Yeah, progress be damned, I like being a white landowning male and having complete control over other people.
Some of that sounds pretty good actually....like the free market parts.

Is it an all or nothing proposition?


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Old 06-26-2013, 12:52   #56
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Now can citizen of anti-gun states and cities apply the Equal Protection clause for 2A rights?

"Privilege and immunities" and all that?

Seems that clause does nothing but give more power to the central government and take power away from the state. How unusual




Thanks, I was thinking the Prop 8 bit.
I would like equal protection applied to the progressive income tax. Everyone pays the same dollar amount.


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I'm extending a marriage proposal to any, or all of you, right now.

Just think, "we" can now be treated just like the old fashioned and outdated traditional family, AND "we" can now rake in all those government benefits that used to be reserved for married folks.

Let's get married and get our fair share of the government teat.
Somebody else has to pay for it, but what the hell it's not really their money anyway.

Any takers?

I'll buy you a nice ring and we can honeymoon at the local Motel 6.

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So much idiocy in this post it's hard to know where to begin


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Some interesting quoted statements from folks within the organized religion groups indicating that even they see this subject, and the court's decision, from different perspectives.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/news/gay...181514634.html

I'm thankful I don't live under a Theocracy, but there are times when I think a certain segment of our society wishes it were ...
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Old 06-26-2013, 13:22   #59
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I'm thankful I don't live under a Theocracy, but there are times when I think a certain segment of our society wishes it were ...
You think? It's been illustrated in this thread that a sizable number of people do.

It's not quite there, but there are many theocratic elements in our society. If you do not openly claim Christianity, you will not be elected President of the United States, or most any higher position in government. Both inaugurations, and swearing of oaths in court take place on religious text (though I think there's a secular option, but it's the exception rather than the rule), we have "in god we trust" on our currency, and public school graduation ceremonies start with Christian prayers.

No, we aren't a theocracy yet, but if the religious extremists that are making certain the Republican party looks as xenophobic as possible, ensuring it cannot win major elections have their way, it would be. (Again, this has been put on display in this very forum.)
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It's not quite there, but there are many theocratic elements in our society. If you do not openly claim Christianity, you will not be elected President of the United States, or most any higher position in government. Both inaugurations, and swearing of oaths in court take place on religious text , we have "in god we trust" on our currency, and public school graduation ceremonies start with Christian prayers.

I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
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I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
You and the revisionist history movement that's been hard at it in recent times, are part of the problem. I suggest you move to Iran were people are kindly told they have to be a certain religion or else.
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You think? It's been illustrated in this thread that a sizable number of people do.
Seems that way, doesn't it?

Having been both a registered democrat and republican (in that order), I finally had enough of the heavy influence of the "religious right" in the republican party and changed my voter registration over to independent.

It really seems to puzzle family, friends, peers, acquaintances and even many new folks I meet how I can agree with different things among both "conservatives" & "liberals", and yet be unwilling to pigeon-hole myself as either one.

By this time in my life I'm simply unwilling to allow myself to be told what particular dogma I must agree to support in a knee jerk manner.

Then again, a staunchly conservative registered libertarian friend of my age recently congratulated me on becoming an independent.
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You and the revisionist history movement that's been hard at it in recent times, are part of the problem. .
That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
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I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
No, we were not, have not been, and should not be.
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That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
(Article 6, section 3 of the US Constitution)

Does that clause sound like something a Christian Nation would include in their constitution?

How about the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli, less than 20 years after the founding of the country and only 13 years after the end of the Revolutionary War (John Adams, President, signed):
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.



....unless you consider 13 years to be "revisionist history".
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I'd compromise and have everyone just pay the same percentage... That would be a good start.
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That we are and always have been a Christian Nation is not revisionist history.

Part of the problem seem to be lack of education on your part.
I do not expect you to see it differently. One of the hallmarks of the Christian right is the fondness for whining about their culture being walked over, while simultaneously telling other people what they can or can't do.
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"no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
(Article 6, section 3 of the US Constitution)

Does that clause sound like something a Christian Nation would include in their constitution?

We were founded as a Christian Nation but no where does it say you have to be Christian.

The public education system obviously let you (and many others here it seems) down. Here is a good place to start:


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I do not expect you to see it differently. One of the hallmarks of the Christian right is the fondness for whining about their culture being walked over, while simultaneously telling other people what they can or can't do.

I'm not a Christian. But I do know American History.
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So you are not a Christian, but you demand that we let the far right run the country in a Christian fashion?




...and you definitely do NOT know American history. Civil Liberties Issues

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We were founded as a Christian Nation but no where does it say you have to be Christian.
Now, please, go back to my updated post and counter the statement, signed and affirmed by President Adams, that says differently. Keep in mind that not only did the President sign it, but it had to be affirmed by the Senate at the time, as well, since it was a Treaty.
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The Gingrichs? Really?

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A sad day for America. At least CA has it right.
Yes, that pesky 14th Amendment. No one should receive equal treatment under the law.
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I'm extending a marriage proposal to any, or all of you, right now.

Just think, "we" can now be treated just like the old fashioned and outdated traditional family, AND "we" can now rake in all those government benefits that used to be reserved for married folks.

Let's get married and get our fair share of the government teat.
Somebody else has to pay for it, but what the hell it's not really their money anyway.

Any takers?

I'll buy you a nice ring and we can honeymoon at the local Motel 6.

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Only if you're the catcher . . .

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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
Read the decision. Its based on equal treatment clause of the 14th Amendment.
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