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Old 06-26-2013, 10:03   #41
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:13   #42
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Please quote the part of the Constitution/Amendments/Bill of Rights which discusses sodomy.
It's in the section about taxes...
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:16   #43
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It was the law of the land and was never challenged by the constitution. It was illegal to commit consensual sodomy, abortion, and now come to think of it: adultery.

I agree, let's go back in time.
Yeah,

Lets go back in time where people were bought and sold as slaves. Where during the industrial revolution there were no safety standards, health benefits or fair wages, where the motto of the filthy rich was 'you don't have to work for me if you don't want to', when employees were working 12-16 hour days and dying because of hazardous working conditions.

Lets go back just 100 years where immigrants like the Irish were considered lazy and worthless (when it was society that kept them from being prosperous).

Lets go back in time and enjoy the poor health standards and forgo modern sanitation... Where buckets of effluent was tossed in the street... Because people didn't care about others who may have to walk through it, they only cared about themselves.

Yeah, progress be damned, I like being a white landowning male and having complete control over other people.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:20   #44
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:23   #45
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So, if we take that as a base-line, we have nothing to lose if we just forsake them and move forward under the banner of true, Constitutional conservatism.

And in doing so, leaving out the issues of abortion and marriage, many people that vote Democratic would switch to voting Republican. And most importantly, being a Republican (or conservative) would no longer have the anti-social connotation it does now, so it would grow even more, as the popular side to be on.

Conservatives just keep slitting their own throats, committing political suicide, by having on their agenda the issues of abortion and marriage. If we embrace the right to chose, if we support gay marriage, I would forsee decades of Constitutionally conservative government.
I can attest that, here in IL, the last gubernatorial race was VERY hard for me to decide. I REALLY don't like Pat Quinn, but his opponent - Bill Brady - was staunchly against same-sex marriage, to the point that his view was, to me, almost radical. I ended up voting for Brady based on the gun issues here in the state (fat lotta good that did me), but if Brady's stances on social issues hadn't been so extreme, it wouldn't have even been a bump in the road to vote for him. To me, it really was weighing the lesser of two evils, and I figured the Dems that control the state legislature would have enough power to stop radical social restrictions, while the Republicans with support of downstate Dems could push on the gun issues.

It shouldn't have been a tough call, but it was because of such strict social (not Constitutional) conservative views. I think you're dead-on in saying that if the Republican party changed their line on only 2 or 3 social issue, then the Dems might never win another election.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:29   #46
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:39   #47
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That I agree with.

If the Republican party suddenly adopted a position supporting gay marriage would you expect a sudden migration of religious conservatives to the democratic party?
No, they just stay home. Like 2012
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:10   #48
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No, they just stay home. Like 2012
Then they deserve what they get. Perhaps they will figure that out eventually.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:51   #49
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Then they deserve what they get. Perhaps they will figure that out eventually.
It is what it is, and we are living the results of it. A Conservative political party cannot succeed today without the religious right.

I don't like it any more than you, but to ignore it is to fail.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:56   #50
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This is all debatable. Nothing can be proven until Constitutional conservatism is given a chance. Up until now conservatism has been completely entangled with religious views.....it's time to try something different.
Who are the 'Constitutional Republicans' you are talking about. Cruz and Paul are the only ones I can think of. The rest are just Democrats posing as Repubs.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:13   #51
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Who are the 'Constitutional Republicans' you are talking about. Cruz and Paul are the only ones I can think of. The rest are just Democrats posing as Repubs.
I'm willing to wager there are plenty more that aren't as vocal about their social beliefs because they're forced to pander to the more religiously conservative members of the party/electorate.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:32   #52
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Damn straight.

Hey...why'd you change your post?
Fixed a typo and I think I added another sentence to the third paragraph. I usually edit posts to fix typos - I do tend to make a lot of them.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:34   #53
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Don't forget. The decision will drive our benefit cost higher! Wahoooo, what an exciting time is it!?
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:44   #54
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Don't forget. The decision will drive our benefit cost higher! Wahoooo, what an exciting time is it!?
Yes, because all decisions in life - like falling in love with someone, getting married, etc, straight or gay - should be based on how it affects YOUR pocket book. When I married my wife, she became eligible for benefits under my Army Reserve medical. I apologize that I didn't call you for permission to get married.
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Yeah,

Lets go back in time where people were bought and sold as slaves. Where during the industrial revolution there were no safety standards, health benefits or fair wages, where the motto of the filthy rich was 'you don't have to work for me if you don't want to', when employees were working 12-16 hour days and dying because of hazardous working conditions.

Lets go back just 100 years where immigrants like the Irish were considered lazy and worthless (when it was society that kept them from being prosperous).

Lets go back in time and enjoy the poor health standards and forgo modern sanitation... Where buckets of effluent was tossed in the street... Because people didn't care about others who may have to walk through it, they only cared about themselves.

Yeah, progress be damned, I like being a white landowning male and having complete control over other people.
Some of that sounds pretty good actually....like the free market parts.

Is it an all or nothing proposition?


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Now can citizen of anti-gun states and cities apply the Equal Protection clause for 2A rights?

"Privilege and immunities" and all that?

Seems that clause does nothing but give more power to the central government and take power away from the state. How unusual




Thanks, I was thinking the Prop 8 bit.
I would like equal protection applied to the progressive income tax. Everyone pays the same dollar amount.


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I'm extending a marriage proposal to any, or all of you, right now.

Just think, "we" can now be treated just like the old fashioned and outdated traditional family, AND "we" can now rake in all those government benefits that used to be reserved for married folks.

Let's get married and get our fair share of the government teat.
Somebody else has to pay for it, but what the hell it's not really their money anyway.

Any takers?

I'll buy you a nice ring and we can honeymoon at the local Motel 6.

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Some interesting quoted statements from folks within the organized religion groups indicating that even they see this subject, and the court's decision, from different perspectives.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/news/gay...181514634.html

I'm thankful I don't live under a Theocracy, but there are times when I think a certain segment of our society wishes it were ...
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I'm thankful I don't live under a Theocracy, but there are times when I think a certain segment of our society wishes it were ...
You think? It's been illustrated in this thread that a sizable number of people do.

It's not quite there, but there are many theocratic elements in our society. If you do not openly claim Christianity, you will not be elected President of the United States, or most any higher position in government. Both inaugurations, and swearing of oaths in court take place on religious text (though I think there's a secular option, but it's the exception rather than the rule), we have "in god we trust" on our currency, and public school graduation ceremonies start with Christian prayers.

No, we aren't a theocracy yet, but if the religious extremists that are making certain the Republican party looks as xenophobic as possible, ensuring it cannot win major elections have their way, it would be. (Again, this has been put on display in this very forum.)
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It's not quite there, but there are many theocratic elements in our society. If you do not openly claim Christianity, you will not be elected President of the United States, or most any higher position in government. Both inaugurations, and swearing of oaths in court take place on religious text , we have "in god we trust" on our currency, and public school graduation ceremonies start with Christian prayers.

I see no problem with any of that. We are a Christian Nation from the get-go.
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