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Old 06-26-2013, 08:24   #1
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DOMA is Toast.

About time.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:27   #2
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Good. Now the 4 percent can go back to gentrifying all those poor inner city areas and make them more welcome for the liberal arts major's who want to live in the city but prefer their "diversity" to be in number of vibrant restaraunts and not actual people.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:29   #3
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A sad day for America. At least CA has it right.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:36   #4
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A sad day for America. At least CA has it right.
Who in CA has it right? The Majority that voted against Prop 8?
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:38   #5
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Bigots beware: head back to your basements and bunkers; human rights means EVERYBODY IS TREATED THE SAME, not just straight, white Christians.

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Old 06-26-2013, 08:38   #6
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Glad to hear it.

If religious conservatives would go away, Constitutional conservatives would have a weight off their shoulders, and could get this country righted again.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:39   #7
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Equality means equality.

It's not complicated.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:41   #8
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Equality means equality.

It's not complicated.
But some people are more equal than others...
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:44   #9
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I am glad with the decision.

Government has no business with the marriage at first place. It is the religious' business. The Government should never gave the benefits to marriage (tax break, etc).

I do not accept gay practice.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:44   #10
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If a guy wants to marry another dude, what business is it of the government? I dont actively support gays mainly for the same reason i don't support hispanics who are fighting for immigration reform....they both heavily vote for liberals who are taking away other people constitutional rights.
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I love my wife. You can love anyone you want. But don't tell me you husband is your wife.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:48   #12
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I'm extending a marriage proposal to any, or all of you, right now.

Just think, "we" can now be treated just like the old fashioned and outdated traditional family, AND "we" can now rake in all those government benefits that used to be reserved for married folks.

Let's get married and get our fair share of the government teat.
Somebody else has to pay for it, but what the hell it's not really their money anyway.

Any takers?

I'll buy you a nice ring and we can honeymoon at the local Motel 6.

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Glad to hear it.

If religious conservatives would go away, the left would never lose an election.
FIFY

And just to add, I'm NOT a religious person.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:48   #14
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I am glad with the decision.

Government has no business with the marriage at first place. It is the religious' business. The Government should never gave the benefits to marriage (tax break, etc).

I do not accept gay practice.
Ok, but practice makes perfect.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:50   #15
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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
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Glad to hear it.

If religious conservatives would go away, Constitutional conservatives would have a weight off their shoulders, and could get this country righted again.
Yep, this.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:54   #17
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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
Equal protections clause.

I'm glad this happened. They have as much right as the rest of us to be miserable.
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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
DOMA is federal law.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:59   #19
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"If religious conservatives would go away, the left would never lose an election."

FIFY

And just to add, I'm NOT a religious person.
You think that if the Republican party did not differentiate itself from the Democrats on the issue of gay marriage that Republicans would suddenly begin to favor all the advances of socialism and the rest of the Democratic platform and begin voting Democrat?
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FIFY

And just to add, I'm NOT a religious person.
That's very debatable.

If the conservative political side stopped harping on about abortion and marriage, and focused on the Constitution, small government, lower taxes, etc, we could pull a lot of votes away from the left.

Take away the issues that make certain people "one issue voters", and we could see a swelling of our ranks.

I'm a kitchen designer, and spend a lot of time with folks from all walks of life. I have worked with gay and lesbian couples that, aside from the gay marriage issue, are very conservative. They hate taxes, big government, the FSA, Obummer Care, and the rest.

These people would be true conservatives if we dropped the religious part of conservatism. Since there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State, this is something we need to sort out in our own house.
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You think that if the Republican party did not differentiate itself from the Democrats on the issue of gay marriage that Republicans would suddenly begin to favor all the advances of socialism and the rest of the Democratic platform and begin voting Democrat?
Nope, that was never said or implied. Not sure how you could get there from what was said.

If religious conservatives just go away, as was stated, then the Republicans will never have the numbers to win again. Simple math.
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Equal protections clause.

I'm glad this happened. They have as much right as the rest of us to be miserable.
Now can citizen of anti-gun states and cities apply the Equal Protection clause for 2A rights?

"Privilege and immunities" and all that?

Seems that clause does nothing but give more power to the central government and take power away from the state. How unusual


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Thanks, I was thinking the Prop 8 bit.
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I can't figure how they deem it unconstitutional. It's a state law. There is no constitutional right to marriage.
It's not specifically written in the Constitution but is implied. Marriages AND divorces. Which is why there are very, very few restrictions on getting married. Or getting divorced.

Otherwise the .gov can make a ton of money selling tax stamps for divorces.
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That's very debatable.

If the conservative political side stopped harping on about abortion and marriage, and focused on the Constitution, small government, lower taxes, etc, we could pull a lot of votes away from the left.

Take away the issues that make certain people "one issue voters", and we could see a swelling of our ranks.

I'm a kitchen designer, and spend a lot of time with folks from all walks of life. I have worked with gay and lesbian couples that, aside from the gay marriage issue, are very conservative. They hate taxes, big government, the FSA, Obummer Care, and the rest.

These people would be true conservatives if we dropped the religious part of conservatism. Since there is supposed to be a separation of Church and State, this is something we need to sort out in our own house.
It isn't debatable at all. History is fact. Evangelical conservatives that vote, win. When they stay home, Repubs lose.

You can't get away from facts or math. You can never gain enough gays or blacks to make up for snubbing the religious right.
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Nope, that was never said or implied. Not sure how you could get there from what was said.

If religious conservatives just go away, as was stated, then the Republicans will never have the numbers to win again. Simple math.
Again, that is very debatable.

Religious conservatives threw a hissy fit and sat at home the last election, because Romney was a Mormon.

So, if we take that as a base-line, we have nothing to lose if we just forsake them and move forward under the banner of true, Constitutional conservatism.

And in doing so, leaving out the issues of abortion and marriage, many people that vote Democratic would switch to voting Republican. And most importantly, being a Republican (or conservative) would no longer have the anti-social connotation it does now, so it would grow even more, as the popular side to be on.

Conservatives just keep slitting their own throats, committing political suicide, by having on their agenda the issues of abortion and marriage. If we embrace the right to chose, if we support gay marriage, I would forsee decades of Constitutionally conservative government.
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