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View Poll Results: Is this a muscle car era?
Yes, its the new muscle era 74 52.86%
No, only the originals are true muscle cars. 66 47.14%
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:36   #161
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How can I not have knowledge/experience when I've worked at dealerships that have serviced/sold them?

Given that fact, explain why I have to own one to know what I'm talking about.
You said you like the original muscle cars better, and I asked if you had ever owned a modern muscle car.....that's all.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:41   #162
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We've totally lost the point of this thread, which is how cool current muscle cars are.

I don't even know why you're making this statement.
Because people that do not think the modern muscle cars are cool, and prefer the originals are being attacked by you like it is personally offensive.

You should go re-read the OP he asked what people thought the greatest muscle car era was. Then gave his opinion.

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Old 06-27-2013, 11:45   #163
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Because people that do not think the modern muscle cars are cool, and prefer the originals are being attacked by you like it is personally offensive.

You should go re-read the OP he asked what people thought the greatest muscle car era was. Then gave his opinion.
Nope, that's not correct. I never attacked anyone for preferring the originals.

I think you are confused.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:46   #164
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Because people that do not think the modern muscle cars are cool, and prefer the originals are being attacked by you like it is personally offensive.

You should go re-read the OP he asked what people thought the greatest muscle car era was. Then gave his opinion.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:47   #165
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You said you like the original muscle cars better, and I asked if you had ever owned a modern muscle car.....that's all.
Let's see a pic of your modern Muscle car.

The reason you have modern "Muscle cars", and I use the term loosely, is because
the manufacturers realize how popular the originals still are.

Retro is another word for knock off.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:48   #166
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I just cant call new cars muscle cars...to me, a new charger is nothing but a family car.

Even tho I owned a 98 Mustang GT (completley custom from engine to rims) I still prefer old school muscle cars. Ill never forget going for a ride in a 69SS camaro...
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:50   #167
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Let's see a pic of your modern Muscle car.

The reason you have modern "Muscle cars", and I use the term loosely, is because
the manufacturers realize how popular the originals still are.

Retro is another word for knock off.
I've already posted a picture of my car.
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I've already posted a picture of my car.
Oh, a Pony car. Not a Muscle car.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...s/viewall.html
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:20   #169
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Right here I'm reminded of a famous Rodney King quote......
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Which one? "OUCH OH OW! STOP! OW! NO! UHH! OW! OK, I'LL. . . OW!" That one?
oh boy never saw this coming

Any way i can agree that the new muscle is def faster handles better more reliable etc but i still just have trouble comparing them to the classics
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That you, as do many people here in this thread, have little knowledge about (experience with) modern muscle cars.
I have read 427's posts in the past and clearly, unless he has a 24/7 satellite uplink to a automotive tech advisor, Id say he speaks competently from his own experience and merit.

Speaking for myself, I'm am just an old country boy but I have owned and have worked on a dozen or so muscle cars over the past several decades that range 1955chevy, 1967chevy, 1969chevy, 1971chevy, 1982ford, 1985ford, 1993ford, 1994 Mitsu, 1998chevy, 2007chevy. My current 2012 German sedan is supercharged but its just an oldman car that I cant possibly work on [doesn't even have a oil dipstick] so that doesn't count. I could throw in a couple 60-70's PU trucks that were very much muscled up but they might not count either. I am no expert but I did hang onto the 1969chevy and still own it today.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:30   #171
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hey is there a moderator that can add a poll to this and make it a poll thread also? I couldnt figure out how to make a poll. If possible maybe 2 choices. Yes its the new muscle era and No only the originals are true muscle cars.

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Old 06-27-2013, 12:42   #172
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Naw, dennis in MA, that other one.

Car and Driver had a list of about 60 muscle cars in five categories. full size, mid sized, pony, compact, and truck, leaving the baddest pickup of all, the 440 Dodge.
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Old 06-27-2013, 13:25   #173
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I would say they're just as relevant. The Mustang folks have been going after the M3 for a while now. All of the car you mentioned compete side by side with Mercedes and BMWs in various racing series.
Copy that.

With 414 hp, I'd say my M3 qualifies as a "modern muscle car."
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Old 06-27-2013, 13:48   #174
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the main problem with today's musclecars is cost! Yeah, NEW musclecars were relatively expensive back in the old days but a 2 to 3 year old car was certainly cheap enough and you could work on them yourself.
Today's musclecars are certainly better in almost every way compared to the original musclecars of the past but how many do you see in teenage of early '20 year old hands with someone "souping" them up in their driveway?

To Herrglock: If you drive one of those new 4-DOOR cars Dodge foolishly calls a "Charger" , It ain't a Charger! Chargers were only made with 2 doors! Here is a REAL Hemicharger!

The Okie Corral

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So because it has 4 doors it's foolish looking?? I love the old 2 door Chargers and actually had one in High School. Currently my 'foolish" looking Charger SRT-8 runs low 11s in the quarter, seating for 5, large trunk, and at over 4000#s handles remarkably well. Brembro brakes are standard and it's loaded with airbags, Nav, Kicker stereo, etc....If I had wanted a 2 door, I would have bought a Challenger.

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I even prefer sedans and don't like the looks of the new Chargers.
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Run that low 11 second 4 door sedan over to the auction block and we will see who has a "real" Charger

I don't think I mentioned it but I drive my old Charger and, yes, new cars go, handle, and stop much better and faster than these old dinosaurs but ... My completely numbers-matching Charger is just too cool to drive!

Around town everyday, I'll take my Lexus or one of my other cars but when I need a grin or two and too many thumbs-up and pictures taken to count by passerby's, I'll pull out the 1969 Charger R/T out and burn some tires!
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That RT is sweet. Engine compartment pristine.

Congratulations on owning a piece of automotive history.

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There used to be a car club in Calif called the L.A. Street Racers. The first Fast And Furious movie was very loosely based on this club. The leader of the pack was a black guy named Big Willie. Willie drove a big Dodge Charger like the driven by Vin Diesel. The only qualification for getting into this was to have an honest to God 10.50 in the quarter car. There were a lot of cars in that club.
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I haven't taken mine down the strip for an honest timeslip but I might when my new Cragars with fat sticky tires gets here The redlines on it now are just a tribute to how it left the factory. I even have NOS original wheelcovers for it as it left the factory but haven't put them on as I just don't want to scratch the new paint on the original wheels!

I did have the motor run on a dyno after being rebuilt. It was run on a stand and not in the Charger to determine actual rear-wheel HP but, on the stand, it put out 588hp @ 6500 rpm and was still climbing when we shut it down. It definitely has enough power to get out of its own way!

And clarkz71, Thanks for the compliments on the engine compartment. Everyone, and I mean Everyone that actually sees it is astounded at it! Unlike today's motors, you can actually see the motor there!
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There used to be a car club in Calif called the L.A. Street Racers. The first Fast And Furious movie was very loosely based on this club. The leader of the pack was a black guy named Big Willie. Willie drove a big Dodge Charger like the driven by Vin Diesel. The only qualification for getting into this was to have an honest to God 10.50 in the quarter car. There were a lot of cars in that club.
That would be some very fast cars.
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