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Yes, its the new muscle era 74 52.86%
No, only the originals are true muscle cars. 66 47.14%
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:14   #201
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10 degrees BTDC would be an idle setting.

Then you check full advance @ 3500 rpm or so.

In the old days there were two metal wieghts with springs that controlled when full advance came in.

Centrifigal advance it's called

Another little tid bit, when setting points, dwell can affect timing, but timing won't change dwell.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:18   #202
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I know what his name "427" means and also your name "copo9560". Chebby guys, I suppose!

Yeah, I am definitely old enough to know what setting the points meant! I changed many a set of points in my life although it was quite a while ago. When I first got my

All the wiring in the Charger is set up to return to an original dual-point ignition and coil very easily. I prefer the new-technology ignition in it now for cruising! I have the original distributor for the Charger but it definitely needs a rebuild.
What about the infamous Mopar "ballast resistor".

You always need to keep a spare in thos cars.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:22   #203
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I've been around and owned several of the original era muscle cars. When I started driving in the mid-70's, they were cheap and plentiful. 440 GTX with a 4 speed? No problem, 1300 bucks and one trip to Spokane you'll come home with one.

I did enjoy my big block Fairlanes, and also had a 68 Cougar and a 70 Mustang. Kept my last Fairlane which I built a 460 for until about 2001. Sold it for a 1990 Mustang GT.

Boy the newer ones are easier to spend time in.

Now you can go to your local Ford showroom and drive home a basic Mustang GT that will turn 12's, can drive em all day, get good mileage, and turn and stop. I love these new things.

This "new" muscle car era has lasted for 30 years now, since the introduction of "The Boss is Back" 1982 5.0 Mustangs. I have a 1995 Cobra now, that is now a very old school car. Time marches on.

We'll never see the art deco styling again of the beautiful 60's cars like the 67 GTO or a 68 Charger etc, but I think these are the glory days.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:27   #204
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1968 was a great year for all muscle cars.

Mustang got the 428 that year, 67 could have a 390, first year of the big block Mustang
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:48   #205
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GVFlyer, I know you're aware of it but mechanical is arrived at by the engineers using the WAG method, (wild assed guess). As quoted by Miss DeVito the Chevy had a timing setting of four degrees BTDC. What you're doing is playing catch up to the engine speed. At about 1500 RPM centrifugal advance takes over and runs the timing up to above 20 degrees BTDC. What it is is magic, that's what.
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Well now I HAVE to post up mine.

1340cc with all the goodies. 9.87@148 mph.


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The old slabside GSXR's handled well......in the late 80's
but technology really jumped when the 96 750 came out.

I've had many sportbikes since the 87 1100. This is my last
one. It's a 1 of 500 limited edition R1 built for homologation
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:15   #207
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I went on the "ride" at first when we met at the Park & Ride
then at Murry's.

I raced on Krome with Joe Boal, Chino, Ninja Jorge, and Rick at Gran Prix cycles did my porting work. I built my engine's & set
up my chassis/suspension.
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Vern Boyce out of WPB was the only one I would let work on my bikes. How I miss the old days at Moroso.

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I went on the "ride" at first when we met at the Park & Ride
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I raced on Krome with Joe Boal, Chino, Ninja Jorge, and Rick at Gran Prix cycles did my porting work. I built my engine's & set
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you do any 9/10 on us27?
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You South Florida (Miami/Ft Laud) guys may remember
my 7/11 bike. I was spraying that. About 220hp on the
bottle. 165hp on motor.

Ran 193 mph on a Stalker Pro radar gun out on 27.


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You South Florida (Miami/Ft Laud) guys may remember
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bottle. 165hp on motor.

Ran 193 mph on a Stalker Pro radar gun out on 27.


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you do any 9/10 on us27?
We did that for a while, but I havn't been out there
since 2004.

Sold my R1 last November. I'm looking for another
Slingshot GSXR to build again though.
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In Tulsa we built a Henry J with a chevy rear axle and a beam front axle. It had a top speed of about 60 mph, but it would do that 60 mph in about 50 feet. It would float the front end three feet in the air across any intersection. We got the oversized header pipes by using exhaust manifolds off a two ton Chevy truck.

The pure beauty of the car is that it cost only about 200 dollars to build, including the car.

It was powered by a 307 cu in engine with powerglide. The secret to its success was something they called Canadian Rocky Mountain gear, a 5.86 to 1 differential. Aint no substitute fro cubic inches, or a really tall gear ratio.
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Vern Boyce out of WPB was the only one I would let work on my bikes. How I miss the old days at Moroso.
I was at Moroso WPB when Rich Oliver had the YZR500 GP bike in the F-USA race. (1989?)

Remember Donald Jacks, that kid could ride.
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I was at Moroso WPB when Rich Oliver had the YZR500 GP bike in the F-USA race. (1989?)

Remember Donald Jacks, that kid could ride.

Don was a friend of mine. That was a huge loss for everyone that knew him. New factory contract to boot. He had a lot of potential as was a bad ass rider. He and Rick Shaw and mark Chin used to go at it.

The good old days.
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Don was a friend of mine. That was a huge loss for everyone that knew him. New factory contract to boot. He had a lot of potential as was a bad ass rider. He and Rick Shaw and mark Chin used to go at it.

The good old days.
Yes, had a ride with Yosh.

I knew Mark Chin well, his dad Lionel (sp)
worked out of Rick's shop for years.

I actually got to ride (sort of) his OWO1 shootout bike. Lionel needed me to help bump start it to check over the engine.
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Yes, had a ride with Yosh.

I knew Mark Chin well, his dad Lionel (sp)
worked out of Rick's shop for years.

I actually got to ride (sort of) his OWO1 shootout bike. Lionel needed me to help bump start it to check over the engine.

Sorry for the thread hijack...

but thank you for bringing back memories from my youth. I miss those days. some of the best races I ever saw or were involved in iwere because ofthose three riders. I'll give John ashmead special consideration, even though he was the only fellow rider I ever wanted to punch in the face in the pits.

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Sorry for the thread hijack...

but thank you for bringing back memories from my youth. I miss those days. some of the best races I ever saw or were involved in iwere because ofthose three riders. I'll give John Ashmead special consideration, even though he was the only fellow rider I ever wanted to punch in the face in the pits.
I saw him with the Daytona 200, I was there.

I have to say, those were "the" best days of my youth for sure.

Oh, almost forgot, I used to buy parts from Danny Roberts
when he worked at PB Suzuki.
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I was there as a spectator as well. He only won because of the crash... but he won that's more than I can say for myself.
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I was there as a spectator as well. He only won because of the crash... but he won that's more than I can say for myself.
True, I think Doug Polen had an oil cooler leaking too.

I couldn't believe he won, a privateer from WPB.

Good talking with you about the old days bro.

I too aplologize for off topic discussion.
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Yeah polen had the leak. Jamie James was right there too if I remember right. I think that was the only time a privateer won the race.... the Duhamel Russell era began shortly thereafter. The Lawson- Russel battle was probably the best race I ever saw there.
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Beautiful gixxers guys. I saw air cooled, and my young(er) brain thought "Bandit." How dare me!

There's a guy down the street from here who has a mint mid 70s KZ1000 with a Yoshimura on it, and every time he screams down the road, I smile. DAMN does that sound fantastic!

Rubber side down, ya'll.
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You South Florida (Miami/Ft Laud) guys may remember
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Only idiots (suckers) fell for the 7/11 trick.
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Well, I am retired and in no hurry to go anywhere! If I was in a hurry, plenty of autos would cruise at 125mph or better.
Plenty of car will go 125mph. Not many "cruise" at 125mph. Most cars you are tired if you drive high speed for any length of time.

I will make you this bet. Take your hemi charger and see if how well you can "cruise" at over 125mph over a long distance. Lets give you an example. Munich to Hamburg. You will have 250+ miles of unlimited speed and around 100 miles of reduced speed. Every bit of the unlimited sections have other cars. You must slow down if a car is on front of you. You may even have to use the brakes hard. You might (probably) go through a section with rain. There are curves on the highways.

Actually drive at high speeds on highways and come back and tell us how driving at high speeds is.

And then take these old cars. Drive it from my house in the USA to lets say Aspen, going loveland pass, and back to Denver over independance pass. Go over loveland pass. You have to deal with winding roads, 2 11000 foot passes (or more depending upon route). At least through in a couple 10000ft passes. I would not hesitate to take a new mustang, charger, camaro over such a drive. Add fuel. That is it.
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Only idiots (suckers) fell for the 7/11 trick.
There were a few, one guy with a Honda Backbird XX fell for it out at the Indian Reservation, Snake Road.
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