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View Poll Results: Is this a muscle car era?
Yes, its the new muscle era 74 52.86%
No, only the originals are true muscle cars. 66 47.14%
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Old 06-26-2013, 14:29   #26
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I'll take the styling, big block, and mechanicalness of the originals over modern "muscle" cars any day of the week.
What modern muscle cars have you owned?
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Old 06-26-2013, 14:38   #27
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That would be fun M&P15T. You're right that its really cool to just be able to plug in my Diablo Sport Intune and tweak/change engine & tranny parameters.
It's so easy, it's comical.

Of course, I have a PROPER manual transmission. You know, like a real, manly sports/GT car should.
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Old 06-26-2013, 14:51   #28
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Let's Run 'Em!!!!
I like that idea...

But I am still waiting to run a 500hp vette that is on GT...these never happen.
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You're right Mr30s, it should been a survey.

Now, my little Dart. As I said, it had the 340 six pack, 4 spd, and it had attitude. Written on the differential in White paint marker was 3.91-1. On each end of the axle was bolted two tubular beams bolted to the spring pad and had big rubber snubbers on the front end of these beams. It had an old set of Marsh street cheaters. It had a big old cluster of header pipes flowing through 3 inch collectors. It had electric line lock and a little 8 inch aluminum fan.

I did not say it was stock, I said I paid 175 dollars for it.

I agree with you on two counts. I agree with those times with street tires and that 3.23 gear. I also agree with you about braggarts. I had a 60 Corvette would turn mid to high 14's and I only encountered one guy that could beat me consistently.
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Brother... a plastic computer on wheels is not a muscle car no matter if it has 600hp or not. 1969-70 was the last year of the muscle cars. One or two have surfaced since then like the BuickGNX and 1993 Cobra R and Pretty much all the Corvettes but everything else is simply not a muscle car.

Its kinda like telling someone who has listened to music all their life on albums and analog that digital downloads are the same thing. Its just not. Listening to and keeping record albums is a tactile experience .. a ipod is not in the same universe.

a 500 hp Honda is simply not anything like owning a 1970 cuda
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Old 06-26-2013, 15:40   #31
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What modern muscle cars have you owned?
Why would I want to own a modern muscle car when I've drive them in the past when I've worked at car dealerships? A close personal friend owns a car lot that gets them in regularly and I can drive them if I want.

And given the fact that I'm limited to three choices, I'm not impressed - especially the "retro-styling".
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Brother... a plastic computer on wheels is not a muscle car no matter if it has 600hp or not. 1969-70 was the last year of the muscle cars. One or two have surfaced since then like the BuickGNX and 1993 Cobra R and Pretty much all the Corvettes but everything else is simply not a muscle car.
Wow.

You do realize that in your list, the plastic car is a corvette? So you say that "a plastic computer on wheels" is not a muscle car and then say "Pretty much all the Corvettes" are muscle cars when the corvette is a plastic car.

You then define a Cobra R as a muscle car and leave out the Terminator Mustangs and the new GT500s. I am assuming that you are referring to the 2000 Cobra R (as opposed the the '95). I am not sure that 13" / 4 piston brembo brakes, large brake cooling ducts, front splitter, and large fuel cell were made for what a "muscle car" was made to do. Last I looked this is more of a road race setup...
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Classic

The Okie Corral

Not so much

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Right, classic. Left, not so much.
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The Okie Corral

Not so much

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Wow.

You do realize that in your list, the plastic car is a corvette? So you say that "a plastic computer on wheels" is not a muscle car and then say "Pretty much all the Corvettes" are muscle cars when the corvette is a plastic car.

You then define a Cobra R as a muscle car and leave out the Terminator Mustangs and the new GT500s. I am assuming that you are referring to the 2000 Cobra R (as opposed the the '95). I am not sure that 13" / 4 piston brembo brakes, large brake cooling ducts, front splitter, and large fuel cell were made for what a "muscle car" was made to do. Last I looked this is more of a road race setup...
a pushrod chevy v8 in even the most current corvette is hardly a "computer" when compared to most current cars of today [Honda lexus bmw ] When I say plastic computer I am talking about Asian cars of the current variety. Cars you cant work on with a wrench. Its a phrase and not intended to be taken literally as many cars have plastic body parts.

When I said 1993 SVT Croba R, that is what ment to say.

When talking about my list of muscle cars I typically limit it to cars you could see at the red light.
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Old 06-26-2013, 16:02   #37
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It really is hard to argue that the "old", "original" muscle cars are better, since the "new", "modern" muscle cars go fast, TURN AND STOP!
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a pushrod chevy v8 in even the most current corvette is hardly a "computer" when compared to most current cars of today [Honda lexus bmw ] When I say plastic computer I am talking about Asian cars of the current variety. Cars you cant work on with a wrench. Its a phrase and not intended to be taken literally as many cars have plastic body parts.
If you look, a corvette has as "computer" as any car out there. A pushrod engine has no less electronics that an double over head cam engine. The difference is mechanical.


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When talking about my list of muscle cars I typically limit it to cars you could see at the red light.
What is a car you see at a red light?
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Originals for nostalgia and cool factor.

New ones for reliability, performance, and longevity.
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What I'm really getting a kick out of are those who talk about muscle cars yet keep mentioning pony cars.

General Lee - Charger - Muscle Car
Hemi'Cuda - Pony Car

As long as we're getting pedantic
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Man I just got to go in a ride with a 69 427 Camaro so fun. The Okie Corral The Okie Corral
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I don't think many will argue that cars today are faster and handle better. Technology is better, that is true.

that said, I think what's missing from "today's" cars is soul....The new "muscle" is nice, but really doesn't do it for me. Maybe in 40 years I'll think differently about them, but I doubt it.

I like old American cars, and new Euro cars. And with a few exceptions new American or old Euro miss the boat for me

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a 500 hp Honda is simply not anything like owning a 1970 cuda
You're right it's not. A 500hp Honda would be WAY faster.

If you ever get the chance to go for a ride in something that weighs less than 3000lbs with that much power it's quite the experience.


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If you look, a corvette has as "computer" as any car out there. A pushrod engine has no less electronics that an double over head cam engine. The difference is mechanical.




What is a car you see at a red light?
Actually, you are wrong about that. Most DOHC engines do have more sensors than pushrod engines.
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If I'm going to just look at it, or maybe take it around the block on a joy ride, I'd probably go for an icon from '69-70. If I have to drive it as my daily or even more than once a week to a Saturday local show, I'd want one from today. It'll get me there, relatively rattle-free, with a/c blowing, comfortable seats, AND most anything considered a muscle car of today will beat most anything from 40 years ago in every category of performance.
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What I'm really getting a kick out of are those who talk about muscle cars yet keep mentioning pony cars.

General Lee - Charger - Muscle Car
Hemi'Cuda - Pony Car

As long as we're getting pedantic
You're right. The current Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger are pony cars. Four doors are not muscle cars, so the Charger is out. So I guess, there aren't any true muscle cars being produced today.


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I like old American cars, and new Euro cars. And with a few exceptions new American or old Euro miss the boat for me
I wouldnt miss the boat on one of these....

The Okie Corral

And dont let anyone see this...but the new ZR1 is a pretty neat car that I wouldnt mind...and the CTS-V
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The car considered by many to be the first American muscle is the supercharged 1932 Duesenberg. It would do 102 mph in second gear and 130 mph in third. In 1935 a relatively stock Duesenberg ran for 24 hrs, averaging a little over 135 mph.
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I wouldnt miss the boat on one of these....

The Okie Corral

And dont let anyone see this...but the new ZR1 is a pretty neat car that I wouldnt mind...and the CTS-V


you've hit a few of the exceptions I was speaking

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a whole ****load of you are not just wrong but dead wrong.

you're trying to compare then and now. example a 1970's camaro vs. a current camaro.

what your nostalgia blinds you to is the fact that the camaro of the 60's-70's was the top of the line, high end tech of it's day in that price bracket, just like the current camaro is to this generation.

in 30 years the 2013 camaros, challengers, chargers, dart, and vettes will be just as sought after to that generation as the old school versions are to us, and for the exact same reasons.

don't be a moron and diss this current generation because it's not your grandaddy's muscle car, be smart and invest in what you can afford and then store it away for future generations.

imagine finding an all original, matching #'s 1965 mustangwith 120 miles showing in a barn. you can set that up for yourself or your future kids if you buy a current gen "muscle car" now and put it up.
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