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View Poll Results: Is this a muscle car era?
Yes, its the new muscle era 74 52.86%
No, only the originals are true muscle cars. 66 47.14%
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Old 06-30-2013, 13:21   #251
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Why do most modern cars have fat asses and a stupid tapered roof line. They just restyled the Land Rover and made it look like that Kia with the fat assed dancing rats. And don't tell me state of the art on that one. It's copy-cat styling. Jaguar just came out with a new sports car. It looks like someone welded the front of an Audi to the back of a BMW Z roadster and painted it.
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Old 06-30-2013, 13:23   #252
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A agree on the big butt look, not a fan.
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Old 06-30-2013, 13:37   #253
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I've noticed a general trend in new vehicles of extremely reduced visibility (to the point of being dangerous) for some supposed styling purpose.

My folks bought a new Chevrolet Cruze, and one simply cannot see out the back window. There is no looking over your shoulder for a lane change... only mirrors. To some, that's fine. To me, it isn't.

Case in point:

Cruze

The Okie Corral

Dodge Dart

The Okie Corral

And for one of the worst offenders, the Hyundai Veloster (ugh... *shudder)

The Okie Corral

What happened to being able to see 360 degrees around the vehicle? You know... so you can ****ing drive the damn thing safely?!
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Old 06-30-2013, 14:35   #254
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I not just voicing this as a red neck prejudice against modern. I've discussed it with who with car styling for a living, and they don't like it and can't think of a reason for it.
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Old 06-30-2013, 16:14   #255
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I posted this on another thread here, but for those people that insist that the earlier muscle cars were the balls, watch this video of a "state of the art" vintage muscle car. Give me a break!
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What break should we give you? What point are you trying to make?
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Old 06-30-2013, 17:47   #257
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I should have made this a poll so that people could vote on old vs new muscle car The Okie Corral
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A poll of old vs new muscle car would be interesting.

The new area of cars obviously has advantages so I wouldn't be surprised if they'd win the poll, but...

For me using computers, electronics, sensors, etc... on todays cars just isn't the same as a purely mechanical beast with great lines & excellent style.

I'm old school, original, classic, etc... all the way here!
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hey is there a moderator that can add a poll to this and make it a poll thread also? I couldnt figure out how to make a poll. If possible maybe 2 choices. Yes its the new muscle era and No only the originals are true muscle cars.

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Old 06-30-2013, 18:44   #259
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Old 06-30-2013, 18:45   #260
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I posted this on another thread here, but for those people that insist that the earlier muscle cars were the balls, watch this video of a "state of the art" vintage muscle car. Give me a break!
1969 Charger 500 - 426 Hemi - vintage road test - YouTube
Wow, 7mpg
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Old 06-30-2013, 18:52   #261
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Its amazing how a V6 Camaro of today has basically the same HP numbers as the V8s of the 60's. Plus the V8 of today are better on gas and more reliable if you drive out of town to go to a car show. or what not.

Upgrade to a V8 and a the modern muscle cars are simply more practical as a daily driver than the 60's cars.

The big down side is that the cars today are not as affordable as the 60's cars were to the younger generation they were marketed for.

The muscle cars today are basically for 40+ year olds with a disposable incomes. Thats not who they were made for in the 60's.

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Its amazing how a V6 Camaro of today has basically the same HP numbers as the V8s of the 60's. Plus the V8 of today are better on gas and more reliable if you drive out of town to go to a car show. or what not.

Upgrade to a V8 and a the modern muscle cars are simply more practical as a daily driver than the 60's cars.

The big down side is that the cars today are not as affordable as the 60's cars were to the younger generation they were marketed for.

The muscle cars today are basically for 40+ year olds with a disposable incomes. Thats not who they were made for in the 60's.
You aren't in your teens or twenties, are you? Base Mustangs and Camaros today are for teens/college students with rich parents.
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I can add a poll but someone will need to tell me exactly what it needs to say, and I probably won't be able to get to it for a day or so as I'm dealing with funeral stuff here. Pm me the info.
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I've sent a PM

Mr30s (the OP) doesn't seem to be here now

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Old 06-30-2013, 21:15   #265
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When I was a kid I built up a 66 Dodge Cornet, fully built 383 twin 650 holly doubles on an offenhauser tunnel ram, Hooker headers, fully built trany with a 3000 rpm stall conveter, 3:91 full posi gears, hurst dual gate shifter. The engine detal list is quite long. It would do wheelies from a stand still. I built it with my own money. There is nothing like driving a machine like that, and nothing is cooler than driving around a car with two 650 Holly double pumpers sticking a foot above the hood. Oh I almost forgot, it got nearly four mpg.
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I posted this on another thread here, but for those people that insist that the earlier muscle cars were the balls, watch this video of a "state of the art" vintage muscle car. Give me a break!
1969 Charger 500 - 426 Hemi - vintage road test - YouTube
Well the car is fast but def needs different tires it has no traction and it certainly dosnt handle like the new ones. but still a clissic.
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Thank you and sorry for your loss and trouble
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Let me do a poll right now.

Question: Which is better, new muscle cars or old ones?

Answer: Young guys like new stuff and old guys like old, and some new.

Solution: No one is going to change anyone's mind so let's just agree to disagree, and drop it.
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Maybe for some, I like them because they "feel" good to look at, remind me of a better time,
I felt good driving my 65 Cyclone.

I didn't care what anyone thought looking at me.
Yup. Has nothing to do with "being seen." I still jump a mile when someone beeps at me in my Malibu. I'm not out looking for compliments. And DANG doesn't every Chevy interior made from 1965-1980 smell the same. Gotta be off-gasing from the vinyl or something. I love that smell.


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Why do most modern cars have fat asses and a stupid tapered roof line. They just restyled the Land Rover and made it look like that Kia with the fat assed dancing rats. And don't tell me state of the art on that one. It's copy-cat styling. Jaguar just came out with a new sports car. It looks like someone welded the front of an Audi to the back of a BMW Z roadster and painted it.
Because modern guys like big butts, they cannot lie. LOL

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I've noticed a general trend in new vehicles of extremely reduced visibility (to the point of being dangerous) for some supposed styling purpose.

My folks bought a new Chevrolet Cruze, and one simply cannot see out the back window. There is no looking over your shoulder for a lane change... only mirrors. To some, that's fine. To me, it isn't.

Case in point:

Cruze

The Okie Corral

Dodge Dart

The Okie Corral

And for one of the worst offenders, the Hyundai Veloster (ugh... *shudder)

The Okie Corral

What happened to being able to see 360 degrees around the vehicle? You know... so you can ****ing drive the damn thing safely?!
Now hold it. Go drive a 60's or 70's Big 3 car and tell me it has visibility. I hate backing up old cars.

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Let me do a poll right now.

Question: Which is better, new muscle cars or old ones?

Answer: Young guys like new stuff and old guys like old, and some new.

Solution: No one is going to change anyone's mind so let's just agree to disagree, and drop it.
In 30 years, I can't see the "young" guys waxing nostalgic over an 89 Mustang or a 93 Camaro. I seriously think the whole "classic car" thing has a model-year-end-date. You can take ANY car from the 40's. ANY car from the 50's. VIRTUALLY ALL cars from the 60's and about 1/2 the cars from the 70's to a show and get positive comments. Not so much the 80's and 90's.

And I still say the new cars are NOT muscle cars, they are homage cars, at best. (And I still like some of them some of the time. Wish they made a full-size again. 4 seats don't work for me.)
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Let me do a poll right now.

Question: Which is better, new muscle cars or old ones?

Answer: Young guys like new stuff and old guys like old, and some new.

Solution: No one is going to change anyone's mind so let's just agree to disagree, and drop it.
Define "better"

You say "better" but then switch to "like"

As an example, I "like" a Porsche 993 Turbo better than a 996 Turbo. There is no objective performance category that the 996 is not better in.
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Now hold it. Go drive a 60's or 70's Big 3 car and tell me it has visibility. I hate backing up old cars.



In 30 years, I can't see the "young" guys waxing nostalgic over an 89 Mustang or a 93 Camaro. I seriously think the whole "classic car" thing has a model-year-end-date. You can take ANY car from the 40's. ANY car from the 50's. VIRTUALLY ALL cars from the 60's and about 1/2 the cars from the 70's to a show and get positive comments. Not so much the 80's and 90's.

And I still say the new cars are NOT muscle cars, they are homage cars, at best. (And I still like some of them some of the time. Wish they made a full-size again. 4 seats don't work for me.)
I think you're exactly right about 80s-90s domestics, but let me tell you... I think foreign cars of the 90s were pretty much the apex of mechanical character. They're "modern" enough by today's standards, but have enough of that mechanical charm that you can work on yourself without ten different kinds of special (expensive) tools.

This is a muscle car thread, and I'm sorry, but I've gotta make one off-topic statement... (Most) Domestic guys are going to hate foreign cars. That's just how it is. If you do, stop reading.

I drive a '97 Accord. It's no muscle car, but guess what? It's a 5 speed manual. It's reliable as a hammer. It gets 35 highway. It handles better than any 4 door sedan should (or maybe they all should handle that well). The car's not a sports car by any means, but it's responsive in every category like a sports car. Transmission is smooth, clutch is responsive, steering is responsive, and the best part... The point I was trying to make from the start... is that I can see EVERYTHING... In every direction. The damn A-pillars aren't so huge you can't see the apex or around a turn. Visibility is better in this vehicle than anything else I've been in. Castrol even fielded them in a Japanese domestic road racing circuit.
The Okie Corral

Bill, you're probably right that most young guys will like new stuff, and most older guys will like older stuff, but if you're a true gearhead... if oil and gasoline run through your veins, and you dream of christmas trees or apexes (if you're American, you might have to look that term up), one can see mechanical beauty in all different forms.


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I've had both: a 1969 Camaro Coupe with a 2- barrel 350 and my current hot rod, a 2002 Camaro SS T- top.

I'll take the new(er) one any day for the advances in rust proofing alone.
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This is Glocktalk.....we'll never agree as a group, except for perhaps 2A rights.

Whatever model of anything that we personally own be it....car, truck, gun, mattress, smartphone, you name it.... is always the best, and every one else is wrong.
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Whatever model of anything that we personally own be it....car, truck, gun, mattress, smartphone, you name it.... is always the best, and every one else is wrong.
Damn right.
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Red Barchetta. Rush can write songs, but they have math problems. He's a kid going off to take his uncle's car out for a drive after they are illegal. And the uncle saved it FOR HIM for 50-odd years. LOL

Forget the fact that he has to take crap off of it IF HE'S THERE EVERY SUNDAY and it's in a barn. And how does one crazed uncle maintain all the hoses and fluids of a 50 year old car? Where does one get gas after "the Motor Law."

I love the song, but still chuckle at the logic of it. Or lack thereof.
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I've had both: a 1969 Camaro Coupe with a 2- barrel 350 and my current hot rod, a 2002 Camaro SS T- top.

I'll take the new(er) one any day for the advances in rust proofing alone.
Tru-dat! Cars rusted inside of 5 years back in the day. You can submerge them in the Pacific for a decade now and not have a hint of rust. But that's ALL cars, not "modern """"muscle"""" cars".
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