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Old 06-18-2013, 21:41   #26
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A friends wife was w the NTSC at that time and we still argue about that crash. Lol. Knowing she was on the case Ill take the tin hatter side. Just saying.
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Old 06-18-2013, 21:49   #27
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I wonder how much these guys got paid for this information they have been sitting on for all these years?
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Old 06-18-2013, 22:13   #28
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...No, they're looking to cash in. If they'd really known something, they'd have quit their jobs and said it long ago.

I agree that this is most likely the case, however let them make fools of themselves. The bigger issue at hand is that there will always be conspiracy theorists who eat this crap up & with all the NSA, Benghazi, etc., ongoing scandals there are those who will swallow this hook, line & sinker.
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Old 06-18-2013, 22:59   #29
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Not many terrorists running around with mobile SAM sites in 1996......
A Mistral was recovered in New Jersey just prior to the shootdown of TWA 800.

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The rocket motor would have burned out "if" it had reached the aircraft as well and people most likely would not have seen a missile streak.
Hundreds did report it, accurately, and in agreement, but entirely independent sources.

I don't know a single 747 crew member who believes the CWT exploded on its own. There was never anything done or found to support that. Nothing. Every attempt to duplicate the alleged CWT explosion using internal fuels, ignitors, etc, failed. Even efforts to duplicate it using propane gas didn't work.

One crew member whom I know became a crew member on the 747 (recently retired as Captain) after his wife and son were killed in the TWA 800 shootdown. Ask him what he believes. I did.

No ground school instructor, systems instructor, mechanic, pilot, or flight engineer qualified on or serving on that equipment whom I've ever met thinks that it was a CWT explosion based on wiring. It wasn't.
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Old 06-18-2013, 23:04   #30
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A Mistral was recovered in New Jersey just prior to the shootdown of TWA 800.



Hundreds did report it, accurately, and in agreement, but entirely independent sources.

I don't know a single 747 crew member who believes the CWT exploded on its own. There was never anything done or found to support that. Nothing. Every attempt to duplicate the alleged CWT explosion using internal fuels, ignitors, etc, failed. Even efforts to duplicate it using propane gas didn't work.

One crew member whom I know became a crew member on the 747 (recently retired as Captain) after his wife and son were killed in the TWA 800 shootdown. Ask him what he believes. I did.

No ground school instructor, systems instructor, mechanic, pilot, or flight engineer qualified on or serving on that equipment whom I've ever met thinks that it was a CWT explosion based on wiring. It wasn't.
Its was an IGLA (SA-18) not a Mistral. Secondly, the SA-18 couldn't have made that hit. And it wasn't till 2003 that the -18 was recovered in Newark.

Secondly, I have no doubt that you know people who think it was shot down.



However, I highly doubt you know anyone who knows much, or as much about MANPADs as I do, who thinks it was shot down with one.


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I'm not saying the airframe was brought down by an explosion caused by a wiring short in the CWT.

I'm simply saying it was not brought down by a MANPAD, or SAM missile, because the evidence that would show that, is sorely missing. Not to mention the engagement profile.
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Old 06-18-2013, 23:11   #31
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I have a close personal friend who's a Fed and actually went and examined the wreckage. He says it was the fuel tank. As long as I've known him he's always been straight up with me and I'll take him at his word.
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Old 06-18-2013, 23:13   #32
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`The depths the administration and the left at large is going to right now to cover up all these scandals and have the sheeple look the other way is impressive and disgusting. Propaganda and more propaganda.....Now this....How convenient.

*Suddenly a 17 year old airline crash is re-investigated and some of the "investigators" are ALL OF A SUDDEN coming out and saying it was a "possible terrorist attack" after all? After ALL previous investigations concluded it was a fuel tank rupture?`
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Old 06-18-2013, 23:44   #33
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Old 06-18-2013, 23:49   #34
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It does matter because 747s were busy flying since 1969 without center fuel tanks blowing up.
Ramsey Yousef, the guy who tried to blow up the WTC in 1993, also planned and tested a plot to blow up multiple airliners over the Pacific in a plan called "BOJINKA". He devised an explosive device using PETN concealed in a toothpaste tube, and a detonator configured from a casio watch, and tested it on a flight in the Phillipines, where he was living at the time.

He planted the device under the seat he thought was directly over the center fuel tank, (but had studied the configuration on a slightly different model than the aircraft he was on) before leaving the plane. The device exploded and killed the passenger in the seat, but the plane was able to land safely.

I found that interesting considering it was the first of its kind (and apparently unable to be recreated in tests) accidental explosion in the center fuel tank of Flt 800. I have also read about the multiple witnesses that observed weather balloons or swamp gas rising at high speeds towards the aircraft over Long Island Sound; as well as the alleged component of a SAM, er, I mean weather balloon, fished out of the water by local fisherman and turned over to the FBI.

I am generally not a conspiracy theorist, but considering the dearth of airliners that have exploded in mid-air in my lifetime, I remain skeptical of the official explanation. I also found it interesting that George Stephanopolous inadvertently referred to FLT 800 as one of the few successful terrorist attacks under Clinton's watch during a post 9-11 interview (he then corrected himself, but maybe it was a slip).

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Old 06-19-2013, 00:10   #35
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I found that interesting considering it was the first of its kind (and apparently unable to be recreated in tests) accidental explosion in the center fuel tank of Flt 800. I have also read about the multiple witnesses that observed weather balloons or swamp gas rising at high speeds towards the aircraft over Long Island Sound; as well as the alleged component of a SAM, er, I mean weather balloon, fished out of the water by local fisherman and turned over to the FBI.

The thing is, eye witness testimony probably did see a streak of light ascending in the sky.

However, it was more than likely, the already burning aircraft. Climbing, after the nose broke/was blown free. Depending upon your angle, it can look like the airplane/light source is rapidly climbing, because its rolling, and turning and you don't have a good view.
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Old 06-19-2013, 00:46   #36
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Anyone even passably familiar with MANPADS, already knows it wasn't one.



Not many terrorists running around with mobile SAM sites in 1996......
Shoulder fired heat seeking missile. The jet was low and slow when it went down; perfect conditions for a short range missile.

I NEVER believed the LIARS in our government: their LIES never passed the smell test, for me.
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Shoulder fired heat seeking missile. The jet was low and slow when it went down; perfect conditions for a short range missile.

I NEVER believed the LIARS in our government: their LIES never passed the smell test, for me.



13-16K feet @ 400+ KIAS is not "low and slow" and was safely out of the engagement envelope for every MANPAD that was in use at that time. Infact, it would probably still be out of the engagement envelope for any current MANPAD too.


Not to mention, the damage, and strike location, is not consistent with a MANPAD engagement.


There aren't many frontal aspect engagement systems today that could make a hit on a 400+KIAS airplane at those altitudes, and we've come a long way in the last 17 years.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:06   #38
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I have said all along it was a missile, so have many eye witness
It was not one locked on missile, it was two. Warheads did not detonate, but went through the plane, tearing it open.

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Shoulder fired heat seeking missile. The jet was low and slow when it went down; perfect conditions for a short range missile.

I NEVER believed the LIARS in our government: their LIES never passed the smell test, for me.
Wasn't the flight at ~15-16,000ft went started to go down? Is 15,000ft considered "low"? If so, by whom?
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:17   #41
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Shoulder fired heat seeking missile. The jet was low and slow when it went down; perfect conditions for a short range missile.

I NEVER believed the LIARS in our government: their LIES never passed the smell test, for me.
A missile hit leaves marks. When you find them please do come back and report.
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I have said all along it was a missile, so have many eye witness
A lot of eyewitnesses are wrong, especially when they don't really know what they are seeing and speculate.

Remember when eyewitnesses claimed that the Chinese launched a SLBM off the coast of CA a couple three years ago? Turns out they were wrong. It was an aircraft contrail.
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I had to googe what a MANPAD even is, that tells you how familiar I am with them.
So, why could it not have been a MANPAD?

DISREGARD. You answered the question while I was typing it.
1. As AK has pointed out, engagement envelope was impossible. At the time the best missiles on the market couldn't even dream of that kind of engagement. Even the newest 20 series SAMs like Grinch or Gen III stinger can't engage those kinds of targets. Hey are low altitude weapons designed to knock down helicopters and small light strike aircraft.

2. Any man portable weapon wouldn't have a large enough warhead to bring down a 747, nor would it have struck e forward part of the center fuselage when there were 4 unshelled heat producing turbofans for a seeker to look at.

3. The types of missiles that could bring one down (large telephone pole sized monsters) have a particular type of warhead that would have left evidence everywhere. Google a continuous rod warhead, and then try to imagine the condition of that plane after impact of a missile like that. It would have shattered the plane and made it abruptly fall from the sky, it wouldn't keep flying and climbing for minutes on end. And if you don't think we don't have detailed studies on what a plane hit with missile X Y and Z looks like you'd be surprised.
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...Google a continuous rod warhead, and then try to imagine the condition of that plane after impact of a missile like that...

I did just that and lo & behold this showed up:


http://www.brasscheck.com/OKBOMB/conrod.html


This makes it very hard for the layman as there appears to be two camps on this topic and each with their own experts. Whose expert is right?
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:05   #46
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Whatever. My halfsister's mother died on this flight. Why tin foil morons look for a conspiracy in everything is crazy.
Would you rather know the truth or accept the line of BS they fed you?
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I have no opinion about the cause of the loss of the aircraft. I did, however, raise an eyebrow when I saw that the CIA did the animation.

Was there no one else in that time to produce quality animation for TV? I think that lends to the conspiracy.

I'll put my tin foil back on now.
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I have no opinion about the cause of the loss of the aircraft. I did, however, raise an eyebrow when I saw that the CIA did the animation.

Was there no one else in that time to produce quality animation for TV? I think that lends to the conspiracy.

I'll put my tin foil back on now.
that was a in you face sucker moment brought to you by...the u.s. government.
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this says sooooooo much about you.
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