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Old 06-17-2013, 07:49   #1
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WANTED:40 caliber round to change BG's Channel

Believe me I know there's no Magic bullet but
what brand & weight 40 caliber round do you carry with the proper shot placement would give you the potential to change a BG's channel --long enough to buy you time for follow up shots to survive a lethal encounter? This round will be used for self-defense. Thanks for the information.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:08   #2
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While no round can guarantee a "channel change", the Winchester Ranger Talon 180 gr. JHP is a very good option.
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Old 06-17-2013, 08:10   #3
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While no round can guarantee a "channel change", the Winchester Ranger Talon 180 gr. JHP is a very good option.
Thank-you Sir for your suggestion.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:07   #4
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It's hard to find a bad choice really, but I would generally opt for a 165gr or 180gr:

Winchester Ranger T
Federal HST
Winchester PDX1
Speer Gold Dot
Remington Golden Sabre

Some of those have a 155gr version that will put a BG down too for a nice dirt nap.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:29   #5
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Federal HST 180gr would be my first choice. Bill
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:35   #6
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It's hard to find a bad choice really, but I would generally opt for a 165gr or 180gr:

Winchester Ranger T
Federal HST
Winchester PDX1
Speer Gold Dot
Remington Golden Sabre

Some of those have a 155gr version that will put a BG down too for a nice dirt nap.
I'll have to check out the brands you recommended.
Many thanks.
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Old 06-17-2013, 09:46   #7
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Speer Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger T's are the top two on my list. I prefer 180gr, but 165gr works fine too.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:12   #8
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It doesn't get much better than 180gr HST, in my opinion.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:37   #9
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I was in a local shop this morning, looking for some .45ACP Federal HST. Just wanted to see what the price is; not necessarily ready to buy any right now. Lately been hearing how great this stuff is for SD/HD.

They didn't have the HST, but they did have Hornady Something-Or-Other, with a colorful little hollowpoint tip, 185gr., self defense load. $28 smackers! For only 20 rounds. You're kidding, right??

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Old 06-17-2013, 10:48   #10
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With proper shot placement, any decent JHP from 155gr-180gr will work. Choose a weight from a major manuf & test drive it to make sure it is 100% in your gun. Yes some JHP designs are slightly better than others, but I think too many shooter worry about their bullets & not their skill level. If you can't guarantee good hits @ 30ft, from any angle, position & while you &/or the target is on the move, you need more trigger time.
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Old 06-17-2013, 11:35   #11
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Believe me I know there's no Magic bullet but
what brand & weight 40 caliber round do you carry with the proper shot placement would give you the potential to change a BG's channel
What on earth does changing a badguy's channel mean?
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What on earth does changing a badguy's channel mean?
I interpretted it as:

change BG's intentions; stop the threat; cause BG to go from 'attack' to 'retreat', or just go down
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I interpretted it as:

change BG's intentions; stop the threat; cause BG to go from 'attack' to 'retreat', or just go down
You have pretty well described changing a BG's channel----Thank-you.
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Old 06-17-2013, 14:14   #14
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You will get several different answers.
I carry the Winchester Ranger T 165gr JHP.
Be aware that several loads also have lower velocity/power levels. For instance you can find several 165 loads that are loaded to different power levels.

What I will suggest is, whatever round you decide to carry, make sure it functions 100 percent in your weapon/mag combo. I have seen guys/gals pick a certain round based on someone else's recommendation and never check to see if it functions properly in their weapon.
Good luck with your decision and stay safe.
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Old 06-17-2013, 14:48   #15
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Federal HST 180gr would be my first choice. Bill
Yes Sir or 165 gr Federal HST.
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You will get several different answers.
I carry the Winchester Ranger T 165gr JHP.
Be aware that several loads also have lower velocity/power levels. For instance you can find several 165 loads that are loaded to different power levels.

What I will suggest is, whatever round you decide to carry, make sure it functions 100 percent in your weapon/mag combo. I have seen guys/gals pick a certain round based on someone else's recommendation and never check to see if it functions properly in their weapon.
Good luck with your decision and stay safe.
Thank-you. Reliability in both ammo & your handgun should always be foremost in your training .
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Old 06-17-2013, 15:19   #17
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Federal HST 180gr would be my first choice. Bill
Same load I carry in my 27.

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Old 06-17-2013, 15:20   #18
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The .40 is much more forgiving of bullet choice than is the 9mm. That said, I typically like light for caliber projectiles and this carries over into the .40 S&W. I like Cor-Bon 135 grain jhp, and "Midweight" rounds in the 155-165 grain range from Speer(Gold Dot), Winchester(Ranger or Silvertip, which is a best buy and accurate), or Federal (Classic).
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Old 06-17-2013, 15:45   #19
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Federal HST, Winchester Ranger-T or Speer Gold Dot ... IN ANY CALIBER THESE ARE THE BEST CHOICES, IN THAT ORDER, IMO.

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Old 06-17-2013, 15:59   #20
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Federal HST, Winchester Ranger-T or Speer Gold Dot ... IN ANY CALIBER THESE ARE THE BEST CHOICES, IN THAT ORDER.
Many thanks for your info.
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Old 06-17-2013, 18:01   #21
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great recommendations. you need a bullet to support your defensive load. to practice, competition, and small game hunting. I really like the Berry's plated 40 cal flat point. come in a box of 1K. with a little work you can get it shooting to the same point of aim your defensive load is.

you can tell from the slide that the Sig has gone thru a lot of bullets. I am one my sixth box of Berry's bullets.

the defensive loads are too expensive to shoot a lot of. I do like to shoot though.

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good field bullet.

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Federal HST 180gr would be my first choice. Bill
Thats what I carry daily.

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Old 06-17-2013, 22:59   #24
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Count another for the 180 HST. I also picked up some of the brass cased 155 HST back when SGAmmo had it for $18 for 50. That stuff is way too hot for me. Trying to shoot it weak handed resulted in very slow follow up shots.

My second choice is the 165gr Gold Dot. You can never go wrong with the old tried and true GD's.
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Old 06-18-2013, 00:09   #25
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...I also picked up some of the brass cased 155 HST back when SGAmmo had it for $18 for 50. That stuff is way too hot for me. Trying to shoot it weak handed resulted in very slow follow up shots...

That's what the chicks & the runts in the Gov't said. They're in the wrong line of work. Personally, I love it & can shoot it all day. Then again, I hold my socks up with thumbtacks & use rubbing alcohol for aftershave.
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