GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-05-2013, 07:07   #51
bucksnort06
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 61
Just shot my gen4 19 for the first time yesterday.. It has all the updated parts. Test fired date was 5-15-13.. Well, no brass hit my face, but did have some that just dribbled out as well as other that hit my shoulder.. Definitely not what I was hoping for but also not as bad as others ive seen on youtube.. My g20 and g27 were throwing brass perfect!
bucksnort06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2013, 07:11   #52
drt4life
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 68
My Gen 4 19 worked flawless even before Glock sent me new spring.....
drt4life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2013, 07:53   #53
LuckyG
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northeast
Posts: 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTex View Post
Not really, I bought the wife a Gen 4 G19 and yes it did tend to throw brass at us, so I'm not in denial of the problems some of the late model Glock's are having. At the same time though I have had better luck with Glock than any other manufacturer.

After looking at the features I decided a Gen 4 G19 would be a good choice for my wife, and it fit nicely with the other 9mm Glocks that I own (mag compatibility etc), so I decided not to worry so much about the complaints on the internet and went out a purchased one. While I did have to change extractors I am still happy with the purchase.

My point is you can either get what you want and take your chances, or you can calculate your odds and get something close to what you want just so you have better odds. Either way my impression is that the OP is hand wringing, so basically either shoot or get off the firing lane!
+1. This Gen4 and Gen3 BTF stuff is starting to get into astrology and angels on the head of a pin land. Buy one or don't. Nobody on the forum or at the Glock factory is going to be able to help you.

No offense intended here, but some work and some don't. Same as over on the Sig forum, and Sigs cost 50% more. One individual's experience may or may not be representative.

Having said that, I bought a new Gen4 G19 last week. Went to the range and blew about 150 rounds of ball, +P+ and mid range reloads through it. Cases departed at 3 o'clock and landed in a nice 2 1/2 foot circle. No malfunctions. Now, according to the astrological forecasts, I've got to worry about problems later. Maybe...maybe not. Duh.

Bought my first Glock (Gen4 G34) end of 2011. Had the original horrible defective RSA/ejector. Still does. Works just fine.

My point here is that even my experience means nothing statistically. One guy has no problem somebody else does. I've done my own gunsmithing for about 35 years. If I have a problem with any gun I usually fix it myself...or back under warranty...or to my local gunsmith.

Jeez...you can buy a $40,000 car and have problems. If you want a Gen4 G19...just buy it. It's a great little gun. Only thing that aggravates me is the Warren Tacticals I ordered are back ordered.
LuckyG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2013, 08:07   #54
Nestor
Lean & Mean
 
Nestor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: From Canada with love!
Posts: 20,970


Troubles are a lot like people - they grow bigger if you nurse them. Believe me, because I'm following this forum for quite a long time - we have a few trouble nurses here on the GT. Jut go and buy what You want. Good luck and have fun.
__________________
One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching.

R.I.P Jeff (23Skidoo), Chad (CJLandry) & Mark (Okie) You all will be missed.
Nestor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2013, 12:00   #55
skyboss_4evr
Senior Member
 
skyboss_4evr's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 3,179


Please let this ridiculous thread die until the OP reports back on his decision.
__________________
"Courage is not the absence of fear... it is the conquest of it."
skyboss_4evr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2013, 16:32   #56
Brian Bentley
Member
 
Brian Bentley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 37
It never ceases to amaze me how many people whine about a spent casing hitting them on occasion. You are firing a controlled explosion. Who cares if a piece of spent brass hits you on occasion, as long as it isn't an expelled piece of lead and copper. I have SEVERAL Glock pistols, including a brand new G19 Gen4. They ALL shoot just like I would expect a Glock to shoot like. I haven't experienced ANY FTF's or FTE's. They have all performed flawlessly to date. Have I been struck by ejected brass on occasion, sure, but who cares. Grow a pair and stop trying to make a problem out of a non issue. Glocks, BY DESIGN, are built to go bang every time. They aren't, nor ever were, meant to be precise target pistols. They are COMBAT grade weapons. Sheesh.. people, just go shoot your pistol, learn to hit what you are aiming at and stop all of the crying. Other than that.... Have a great day.
__________________
Brian K. Bentley

The Right to keep and Bear arms is not just our right, It's our HERITAGE

G1 Niner's #1776
Brian Bentley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 06:01   #57
mazroth
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 45
40 to 9 conversion barrel in my g23s....we shot the cheap blazer 115gr aluminum cased. We didn't get hit in the face, but most of the casings landed on our head. I suspect the light casing, and 115gr. I have some 124gr brass im gonna try this weekend.

Just been buying whats cheapest, will probably like the heavier bullet.

Last edited by mazroth; 07-09-2013 at 06:03..
mazroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 06:37   #58
D.B.Cooper
Senior Member
 
D.B.Cooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Bentley View Post
It never ceases to amaze me how many people whine about a spent casing hitting them on occasion. You are firing a controlled explosion. Who cares if a piece of spent brass hits you on occasion, as long as it isn't an expelled piece of lead and copper. I have SEVERAL Glock pistols, including a brand new G19 Gen4. They ALL shoot just like I would expect a Glock to shoot like. I haven't experienced ANY FTF's or FTE's. They have all performed flawlessly to date. Have I been struck by ejected brass on occasion, sure, but who cares. Grow a pair and stop trying to make a problem out of a non issue. Glocks, BY DESIGN, are built to go bang every time. They aren't, nor ever were, meant to be precise target pistols. They are COMBAT grade weapons. Sheesh.. people, just go shoot your pistol, learn to hit what you are aiming at and stop all of the crying. Other than that.... Have a great day.
Yeah but it sure pisses me of that my friend that went with me was shooting my ammo through a XD 9 and I was behind him watching that gun flawlessly sling brass, while my G17 was slinging brass in my face.
D.B.Cooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 07:57   #59
DEADEYEGUY
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,287
I have very few "target" pistols. None of them throw brass back at my face. Including my older Glocks. So when they were built years ago they weren't "engineered" to hit you in the face with spent brass. None of my ther "Combat Handguns" beat me about the head and face.
Some of us have been burned, and cut by the ejecting brass. Including one on another forum with a burnt eyelid. It's total crap that erratic ejection is considered "normal" by some of you in these new guns. Gunsmithing manuals have whole chapters on causes and fixes for erratic ejection. Erratic ejection in a gun is an indication of problems with your gun. Glock understands that and when you call them they do take the guns back and try to fix them. And even repace those they can't fix.
You don't try to "fix" something that isn't broken. Recently I had a 1911 start throwing brass everywhere. Ater thousands of trouble free rounds. Called up the manufacturer and they fixed it. The extractor had went bad. Like some of the soft Glock MIM extractors. The whole Macho B.S. about letting brass hit you in the face and accept it and "grow a set" is like saying everytime you touch your telepone and it shocks you you should just take the hit. I guess if you like pain thats fine. Most of us would get it fixed though and not consider it a part of our manhood.
Wanting to get a gun that is malfunctioning (and throwing brass at your face is malfunctioning or the wouldn't try to fix it) is good common sense. It has nothing to do with "growing a set". If you like getting hit in the head, getting an eye burned, or cut that is your business. But it is a flaw. A burnt eye in a gunfight that would interfere with your shooting ability is potentially life threatening. How are you going to focus on your front sight if you can't see it? If putting up with flawed products that are potentially damaging to you. Or possibly even fatal under the right circumstances makes you feel like more of a man good for you. To me it's common sense it something you get fixed.
By the way in Martial Arts a simple poke in the eyes is a major method of dealing with a serious attack. Even a mild poke causes pain, problems seeing, watering eyes, and at the least sets the person struck up for the next blow while they can't see. A cut or burnt eye minor? Not when your life is on the line. What you can't see you can't hit. Even if it stuns you for a few seconds. That's a lifetime in a fight. Empty hands, knife, or gun. Your in deep if you can't see for even a short period. Again you can't hit what you can't see.
DEADEYEGUY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 08:24   #60
D.B.Cooper
Senior Member
 
D.B.Cooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by DEADEYEGUY View Post
I have very few "target" pistols. None of them throw brass back at my face. Including my older Glocks. So when they were built years ago they weren't "engineered" to hit you in the face with spent brass. None of my ther "Combat Handguns" beat me about the head and face.
Some of us have been burned, and cut by the ejecting brass. Including one on another forum with a burnt eyelid. It's total crap that erratic ejection is considered "normal" by some of you in these new guns. Gunsmithing manuals have whole chapters on causes and fixes for erratic ejection. Erratic ejection in a gun is an indication of problems with your gun. Glock understands that and when you call them they do take the guns back and try to fix them. And even repace those they can't fix.
You don't try to "fix" something that isn't broken. Recently I had a 1911 start throwing brass everywhere. Ater thousands of trouble free rounds. Called up the manufacturer and they fixed it. The extractor had went bad. Like some of the soft Glock MIM extractors. The whole Macho B.S. about letting brass hit you in the face and accept it and "grow a set" is like saying everytime you touch your telepone and it shocks you you should just take the hit. I guess if you like pain thats fine. Most of us would get it fixed though and not consider it a part of our manhood.
Wanting to get a gun that is malfunctioning (and throwing brass at your face is malfunctioning or the wouldn't try to fix it) is good common sense. It has nothing to do with "growing a set". If you like getting hit in the head, getting an eye burned, or cut that is your business. But it is a flaw. A burnt eye in a gunfight that would interfere with your shooting ability is potentially life threatening. How are you going to focus on your front sight if you can't see it? If putting up with flawed products that are potentially damaging to you. Or possibly even fatal under the right circumstances makes you feel like more of a man good for you. To me it's common sense it something you get fixed.
By the way in Martial Arts a simple poke in the eyes is a major method of dealing with a serious attack. Even a mild poke causes pain, problems seeing, watering eyes, and at the least sets the person struck up for the next blow while they can't see. A cut or burnt eye minor? Not when your life is on the line. What you can't see you can't hit. Even if it stuns you for a few seconds. That's a lifetime in a fight. Empty hands, knife, or gun. Your in deep if you can't see for even a short period. Again you can't hit what you can't see.
+1 Spot on!!!!
D.B.Cooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 09:33   #61
Brian Bentley
Member
 
Brian Bentley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 37
i do understand your point deadeye, and believe it or not. I agree. My whole point is that while there is certainly something that needs to be tweaked in the engineering, completely discounting the platform, as some have done, seems counter productive. Glock was, is, and will be a masterpiece of design and function.
__________________
Brian K. Bentley

The Right to keep and Bear arms is not just our right, It's our HERITAGE

G1 Niner's #1776
Brian Bentley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 09:46   #62
WayneJessie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Bentley View Post
It never ceases to amaze me how many people whine about a spent casing hitting them on occasion. You are firing a controlled explosion. Who cares if a piece of spent brass hits you on occasion, as long as it isn't an expelled piece of lead and copper. I have SEVERAL Glock pistols, including a brand new G19 Gen4. They ALL shoot just like I would expect a Glock to shoot like. I haven't experienced ANY FTF's or FTE's. They have all performed flawlessly to date. Have I been struck by ejected brass on occasion, sure, but who cares. Grow a pair and stop trying to make a problem out of a non issue. Glocks, BY DESIGN, are built to go bang every time. They aren't, nor ever were, meant to be precise target pistols. They are COMBAT grade weapons. Sheesh.. people, just go shoot your pistol, learn to hit what you are aiming at and stop all of the crying. Other than that.... Have a great day.
What exactly does poor ejection have to do with a "precise target pistol?" The whole discussion/issue with poor performance would not exist were it not for long-time Glock owners. It's not the noobs that have the real problems with recent Glocks. They don't know if it's acceptable or not because they've never owned earlier versions of the gun. You can hurl insults all you want but that's not going to make it go away. When a shooter that's owned Glocks for years buys a new one he knows what to expect based on the years of shooting his other models. Right or wrong aside; his earlier models are the ruler by which the new gun will be measured. You can insult him; tell him it's normal; and tell him the quality of the new gun is every bit as good as it always has been but you're wasting your time. Lies don't stand the test of time. If the "issues" with late model guns are just internet commandos" spreading lies it'll pass and the truth will win over. There's definitely a small group here that do not want anything negative about Glock to be discussed. Insults are generally the way they respond. I do agree however that if you have one of the problem guns it's best to either figure out a fix for it and if that cannot be done get rid of it and move on. There are way too many guns on the market now that'll consistently sling brass to your 3:00 all day long to be stuck with a poor quality weapon.
__________________
I'd own a Glock; were it not for Glock owners.
WayneJessie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 10:13   #63
Brian Bentley
Member
 
Brian Bentley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 37
Well sir, I do apologize if I offended anyone's delicate sensibilities. You are correct.
__________________
Brian K. Bentley

The Right to keep and Bear arms is not just our right, It's our HERITAGE

G1 Niner's #1776
Brian Bentley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 20:36   #64
glock1769
Member
 
glock1769's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 75
I love my G19 Gen 4 and have listened to this debate for a long time. I think what some are saying is that this isn't a minor issue of a lob that taps your face, head or wherever. The last time I was out with it I was hit so hard in my glasses that I'll need to get the lens replaced. I'm fairly disappointed.
__________________
Glock Gen4: G19, G26, G42
Ruger: SR22, LCP
Rock Island: .45 1911
GSSF
NRA Life Member
glock1769 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 23:26   #65
Roger G23
Glock Guy
 
Roger G23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: The Gunshine State
Posts: 2,092
I'm gonna be shooting Speer Lawman 115gr. outta my new G19 Gen3. hopefully, it likes it.
__________________
G17 * G23 * G21SF * G26 * G19 OD Green * M&P40c * M&P40 * M&P9 Shield * M&P40 Shield * M&P9 Pro Series * Kahr CM9 * CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow * FN FNS-40
Roger G23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 11:09   #66
WayneJessie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by glock1769 View Post
I love my G19 Gen 4 and have listened to this debate for a long time. I think what some are saying is that this isn't a minor issue of a lob that taps your face, head or wherever. The last time I was out with it I was hit so hard in my glasses that I'll need to get the lens replaced. I'm fairly disappointed.
I've heard that a G23 extractor has fixed some. If that's true it is a relatively cheap fix. I have a LW cast/tool steel one ordered to try. It was pretty much the same price as the factory G23 unit. If that does not help I will just sell/trade it for a different gun. The Apex unit is not a sure fix so I'm not rolling the dice for $60. Some who really want to keep the G19 they have may well buy one and get good results. I just am not so loyal to any gun to keep spending money trying things. To Glock's credit I am certain that if I complained enough they would ditch the "use NATO ammo excuse" and either fix it or replace it with another one that may or may not be an improvement. Personally, I don't think the actual extractor or ejector is the root cause. Trying different ones may help mask the root issue but I think it MAY be an issue with worn tooling and excessive variances in tolerances. That is nothing more than a guess on my part but at least I am honest enough to admit it. Whatever it is I think Glock is on it behind the scenes right now trying to eliminate the problem completely. Competition today is just too vicious to have that weakness.
I promise you that those who consider the poor ejection just a minor annoyance would think differently if an eye injury gave them a trip to the ER for a scratched cornea.
__________________
I'd own a Glock; were it not for Glock owners.
WayneJessie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2013, 07:27   #67
mazroth
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 45
Put some rounds through the G23 yesterday. Slings the 40 brass well. But, when I put in the 40-9 barrel, I had several landing on my head, few hitting my safety glasses and forehead. Was shooting Armscor 124gr fmj. Im guessing it needs a different extractor to eject right, if that will fix it. But will stick with my 40sw.
mazroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 15:30.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,255
383 Members
872 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42