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Old 05-24-2013, 03:04   #1
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Quinn, Emanuel lash out at Madigan gun bill

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Old 05-24-2013, 06:23   #2
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Great post.

The political left in Illinois are also pushing a magazine (10 rounds or less) ban currently. The bill is currently in the IL Senate. I do not know if it will have a chance in the House.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...acity-magazine
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:39   #3
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I'm really torn on this bill. Getting a bill on the books and then changing it later seems like a good idea, but this bill....

Our champion of CCW, Brandon Phelps, has his name on it and is saying "Trust me, I won't sign off on a bad bill", so I don't know what he's got up his sleeve, but this bill sucks. No carry in public parks or playgrounds, no carry on public transit, no reciprocity (that I can tell) for other states, which means they won't give us reciprocity. 16 hours of training and $150 for 5 years also seem excessive.

On the other hand, the one really big plus is that it completely invalidates all other municipal gun laws, including Chicago's stupid-ass registrations, their city/county AWB, and any other crap laws in any of the suburbs around there. It's also being discussed to get rid of the FOID card and use this one permit system in place of it (rather that one on top of the other).

For anyone interested in reading it all, it's SB2193:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/98/S...2193ham002.htm
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:45   #4
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I sincerely hope this all works out in favor of our pro-2A brothers and sisters in IL.
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If those two chuckleheads aremagainst it, it has to be good.

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Old 05-24-2013, 08:03   #6
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Great post.

The political left in Illinois are also pushing a magazine (10 rounds or less) ban currently. The bill is currently in the IL Senate. I do not know if it will have a chance in the House.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...acity-magazine
It will have less than zero chance in the house.

These are finally decent times to live in Il and witness these happenings...............
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:06   #7
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If those two chuckleheads are against it, it has to be good.
I have no love for Quinn or Rahm, but I can assure you this statement isn't true. Read the bill. It's NOT a good bill, but it may be the best that we can get. That's not saying a lot.


I think their still going to get a ton of push-back from Chicago Dems because of the invalidation of their local municipal laws, and I think they may also lose a few of the hard-core 2A folks.

The bill needs 71 votes to pass (because it preempts Home Rule). My wager is that the margin is going to be 2-3 votes, but it's a toss up if that's the margin of win or defeat.

Floor debate starts at noon central. Anyone wants to watch the proceedings, say the word and I'll toss a link.
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so much for constitutional carry or any reasonable ccw law.
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so much for constitutional carry or any reasonable ccw law.
My guess is this is the one that's going to pass and the public transportation bit will stay in as well as all the other ones that make it effectively worthless within Chicago, much like Ohio's original CCW bill.

The big thing that completely sucks with this is it's got the NY, MD and CA disease, it isn't good anywhere else and they don't accept anyone else's. That's a horrible thing.

Difference being, OH corrected their errors and have a decent, if not exactly great, CCW law now. I doubt IL will ever change theirs from this original passage.
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House is actually in session right now (though the CCW bill hasn't come up yet)


http://new.livestream.com/blueroomstream/events/2122784
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:56   #11
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Here's one bit that is, quite frankly, astounding:

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1 (e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from
2 transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in
3 Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her
4 vehicle and the non-resident:
5 (1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a
6 firearm under federal law;
7 (2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the
8 laws of his or her state or territory of residence; and
9 (3) is not in possession of a license under this Act.
10 If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended,
11 he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or
12 locked container within the vehicle in accordance with
13 subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act.
So if I have a WI permit, I can drive with a Sig on my hip from WI to IN, through the heart of Chicago, as long as I don't stop. If I stop, I just need to lock it in the car inside a locked container.

I'm not sure if I'm reading that right but that's how I read it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:01   #12
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Here's one bit that is, quite frankly, astounding:



So if I have a WI permit, I can drive with a Sig on my hip from WI to IN, through the heart of Chicago, as long as I don't stop. If I stop, I just need to lock it in the car inside a locked container.

I'm not sure if I'm reading that right but that's how I read it.
Yes, that's correct. As long as you're passing through. No more stopping at the state line and stowing it.

The bill makes it absolutely clear that your car (for residents or not) is a 'safe haven'. Even if a business prohibits firearms on their property, if you lock it in your car before you get out, you're not violating their wishes. No businesses can restrict customers or employees from having their guns in their cars.
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Yes, that's correct. As long as you're passing through. No more stopping at the state line and stowing it.
I'd sure hate to have to use it in a SD situation though.

Like, a carjacking? I wonder how IL feels about killing somebody in defense of property or life?

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I'd sure hate to have to use it in a SD situation though.

Like, a carjacking? I wonder how IL feels about killing somebody in defense of property or life?
If you're from out of state, just don't get out of your car!


IL is actually pretty damn good on things like self defense. Actually, contrary to popular myth/belief, IL is pretty damn good on MOST gun laws. Just the carrying part that we're well behind the curve. And we're working on that.
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you have to be kidding me. why vote for this half ass ccw bill when you can vote it down and get constitutional carry on June 9th?

after consitutional carry is law June 9th you will have a hell of a lot mre leverage to get a good ccw law passed if the antis press the issue.
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you have to be kidding me. why vote for this half ass ccw bill when you can vote it down and get constitutional carry on June 9th?

after consitutional carry is law June 9th you will have a hell of a lot mre leverage to get a good ccw law passed if the antis press the issue.
I've been thinking about that.

June 10th 90% of the cities will pass "may issue only if we are actively in a nuclear Holocaust and no other CCW permit is applicable here" bills. The state will be VT carry but each town of over (don't remember offhand) 25,000 can pass its own version and decide whether or not to accept the FOID as a CCW permit.

Again, my guess is this abortion of a bill will pass and it will only be clamped down upon from here and never opened up.

I really hope I'm wrong.
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I've been thinking about that.

June 10th 90% of the cities will pass "may issue only if we are actively in a nuclear Holocaust and no other CCW permit is applicable here" bills. The state will be VT carry but each town of over (don't remember offhand) 25,000 can pass its own version and decide whether or not to accept the FOID as a CCW permit.

Again, my guess is this abortion of a bill will pass and it will only be clamped down upon from here and never opened up.

I really hope I'm wrong.
I disagree with your 90% guesstimate, but the rest of it, you're dead on. There are 220 "Home Rule" units in IL. It will not be Constitutional Carry. It will be an f'n nightmare of potentially 220 different sets of rules that change as you cross county and city limit lines.
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I disagree with your 90% guesstimate, but the rest of it, you're dead on. There are 220 "Home Rule" units in IL. It will not be Constitutional Carry. It will be an f'n nightmare of potentially 220 different sets of rules that change as you cross county and city limit lines.
My 90% was kinda caustic but yeah, just about every town that can pass a CCW law would on the 10th of June. Some better and most worse than the bill suggested by this thread.
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My 90% was kinda caustic but yeah, just about every town that can pass a CCW law would on the 10th of June. Some better and most worse than the bill suggested by this thread.
Chicago and a few suburbs will be an in-name-only "May Issue" like NYC, but I think the rest of the state would be pretty close to a FOID-only carry. Maybe restrictions on Open carry, but not much for concealed.
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