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Old 05-17-2013, 20:09   #1
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Why Am I Shooting High?

I bought my Glock 19 a couple of months ago, it is my first Glock.
I have always been a 1911 and a revolver shooter, but this thing is giving me fits as to why I shoot it so high. ( 4" at 10 yds )
A buddy who shoots Glocks at the police matches, took it with him to one of their shoots. Three different excellent shooters tried it out, all said it shot dead on for them.
I don't have this problem with the 1911, so I must be doing something wrong.
I am using the same sight picture, but apparently I'm doing something stupid.
I'm not a newbie, been shooting handguns for 40+ years.
This thing has me stumped.
Any ideas?

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Old 05-17-2013, 20:17   #2
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The hump on the backstrap is making the gun point high for you, you're use to the thinner and flatter 1911 gun.

This is normal for a lot of folks new to Glocks, more so those that come from 1911's and are shooting one of the compact models.

If you take the gun (empty) in your hands and press out (like to point shoot) with your eyes closed, when you open your eyes the front sight will be high. It's a training issue but you can/will get passed it. Or buy one of the bigger frame models G17/etc and the issue might resolve as well. The hump on the bigger guns does not sit on the same place in your hand.

The other gentlemen had no issues because they're use to the Glock platform as you stated.

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Old 05-17-2013, 20:24   #3
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I'm sitting here right now with gun in hand, you are correct about how it points. I'll keep working on it, hopefully I can get over the "hump".

Thanks for the quick reply
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Old 05-17-2013, 20:27   #4
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I'm sitting here right now with gun in hand, you are correct about how it points. I'll keep working on it, hopefully I can get over the "hump".

Thanks for the quick reply
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You're very welcome. Training will correct it, or you can have the backstrap flattened/reduced.

Good luck and congrats on the new gun.
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Old 05-17-2013, 20:55   #5
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mine shoots a bit high, maybe 2 inches, consistent for other shooters too, heard its a problem common with glocks. One reason is sights being "one size fits all" From the 34s to the 26s.
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Old 05-17-2013, 21:15   #6
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Are you aligning the sights with the front post down into the rear notch so they are flat across the top like this?

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Or holding the front sight a little proud so you can see the whole white dot like this?
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Old 05-17-2013, 21:36   #7
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I'm glad you got a real answer because from your title, I was expecting something completely different.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:37   #8
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If your having trouble shooting high my advice would be to lay off the weed man.
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Old 05-18-2013, 06:12   #9
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Never had that problem with a Glock or any other pistol. Proper sight alignment and trigger press works with all pistols. Rapid defensive shooting will require additional shooting if you are hooked on the 1911 platform.
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Old 05-18-2013, 07:19   #10
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Never had that problem with a Glock or any other pistol. Proper sight alignment and trigger press works with all pistols. Rapid defensive shooting will require additional shooting if you are hooked on the 1911 platform.
not all guns are zeroed for same sight picture, im a sight picture 3 guy, some like two, bullseye shooters like 1, ive shot a kimber that shot sight picture 1 and my rounds were 6 inches high, my cz is dead on and the glock 2 inches high
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:10   #11
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If your sights are properly aligned the hump has nothing to do with shooting high.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:48   #12
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If your having trouble shooting high my advice would be to lay off the weed man.
I thought the same thing at first but I sure wasn't gonna say that.
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Old 05-18-2013, 09:31   #13
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If your sights are properly aligned the hump has nothing to do with shooting high.

On the compact Glocks to those new to Glocks, depending on your hand size the "hump" will sit in the middle of your palm. When you then grab the front strap with your dominant hand, if you're not paying attention this will cause the front of the pistol to come up some. When you go shoot, if you're not aware of this you might "think" your sights are aligned properly, but they're not. You will find yourself in a situation like the one Butch describes, and this can easily cause you to shoot high. This is VERY common (as I previously stated) with a lot of folks new to Glocks. I had this very same issue, so I am speaking from experience with myself as well as with experience teaching new shooters to shoot Glocks.

"For me", the larger G17/G22 grip is more comfortable because the "hump" sits lower in my hand, my hand is not as cramped with the more comfortable spacing in the finger grooves, and thus I also shoot that frame gun better.

You may not have experienced this, but it is a reality for some people. Very strong statement to say something you read could not possibly have anything at all to do with what is being discussed.

Please provide some backup/reasoning as to why what I and many people that I have taught have experienced is not possible.

If I was so off base the OP would not have experienced what I say when pressing out as I described with his eyes closed and then opening his eyes.

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Old 05-18-2013, 09:49   #14
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Well, the grip angle is different between Glocks and 1911s. So perhaps you're using the proper sight picture, but just as you're breaking the trigger... subconsciously moving your wrist to the position you were with the 1911?
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:24   #15
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If I was so off base the OP would not have experienced what I say when pressing out as I described with his eyes closed and then opening his eyes.

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If your sights are properly aligned the hump has nothing to do with shooting high
The hump can effect POI if you are used to a slightly different grip angle during point shooting/follow through. The user would be subconsciously locking the wrist at the angle they are used to during trigger break (resulting in an incorrect sight picture)...and either shoot high or low. For aimed fire (ie. if your sights are properly aligned), it doesn't matter. Proper sight picture/sight alignment is proper sight picture/sight alignment.

Edit: Ron understood what I was getting at.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:15   #16
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Well, the grip angle is different between Glocks and 1911s. So perhaps you're using the proper sight picture, but just as you're breaking the trigger... subconsciously moving your wrist to the position you were with the 1911?
I do use sight picture #1.

Perhaps ron59 has something there. Grip angle and the trigger are both foreign to me. I'll keep practicing, and hope I can beat this thing.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:48   #17
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Hey Avery...is there any chance that you are looking at the target to see your shot hole just before you shoot? That's far more likely to cause you to shoot high than the GLOCK grip angle if you are using the sights.
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Old 05-18-2013, 12:03   #18
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Why Am I Shooting High?

I don't know why you are shooting high.

But I know firearms are dangerous and the use of any substances while handling firearms is a very bad idea...




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Old 05-18-2013, 13:36   #19
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Growing up in the 50's and 60's, the only substance I abused came in a 12oz brown bottle.
I am on pain killers since my back surgery, does that count?
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Old 05-18-2013, 19:38   #20
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Focus on the front sight not the target.
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Old 05-18-2013, 20:49   #21
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Are you putting the front dot over the target, or putting the top line as your point of impact. I found that my POI was more consistent when using the top line of the sights across the point of impact?

this coming from a novice shooter.
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I do use sight picture #1.
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Are you putting the front dot over the target, or putting the top line as your point of impact. I found that my POI was more consistent when using the top line of the sights across the point of impact?
That was my next question....are you expecting the bullets to impact the target at a point *behind* the white dot on the front sight like this?
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Or are you expecting impact to be at the top edge od the front sight like this?
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The hump sucks don't really know it was designed like that, but I still like my Glocks.


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The hump sucks don't really know it was designed like that, but I still like my Glocks.
As stated above, the 'hump', as well as the grip angle, finger grooves, or anything else about the grip frame, only affects how you hold/move the gun while trying to pull the trigger.

Most likely Avery is simply pushing into the gun as he pulls the trigger which results in his shots going high (yes, it can be done consistently), and he needs to use some dummy rounds (as described in my blog) to see what he's doing and correct it.


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Get some dummy rounds and read this--> (click) http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/blog.php?b=4

Do what it says with the dummy rounds and you'll see where the problem is.
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Guys, if you can dry fire the gun without pulling the sights off your target, all you have to do is do the same thing with ammo in the gun.....right?

Even if you can stand on your head and shoot the gun with your left foot, as long as the sights are aligned on the target and you squeeze/press/pull the trigger without moving the sights off the target, the shot will be good.

The hard part is getting the trigger to fire the gun without moving the gun. You can have the sights aligned on the target perfectly all day, but if you don't pull the trigger correctly (like you do when you dry fire), you miss.

Get some dummy rounds and do as I describe in my blog, they will let you see how you are pulling the trigger....something that you can't see when firing live ammo due to recoil and muzzle blast.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:04   #25
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That was my next question....are you expecting the bullets to impact the target at a point *behind* the white dot on the front sight like this?
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Or are you expecting impact to be at the top edge od the front sight like this?
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Picture #2 is what I expect when sighting across the top of the sights.

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