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Old 07-15-2013, 14:40   #1
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Opinions please....

I've been reloading for the 10mm and the 45 ACP for the past year now and I've done some experimenting with loads from light to nuclear. I really want to settle, at this point, on making sensible self defense loads, specifically for the 10mm. Maybe I'm wrong but I assume that staying at the lower end of the load charts is plenty sufficient for defense against humans. Correct? For example, I prefer the 200gr Nosler JHP's and in Hodgdon's data, the load min-max for Longshot is 7.0 - 8.2. I don't see any reason to go above 7.0-7.2 for everyday defense. Am I wrong here? Please enlighten me.
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Old 07-15-2013, 17:00   #2
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Old 07-15-2013, 17:25   #3
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Ballistically, there's probably nothing wrong with that round at the lower end of the power scale. HOWEVER, you should also take into consideration YOUR scale, the weather/climates you might encounter, as well as other factors. The primary goal (after which, nothing else really matters), is functionality and reliability. To be an effective SD round, it MUST function perfectly in every conceivable condition. Therefore, the "middle ground", or higher load is probably better. For example, right now it's a lot warmer than it's likely to be during winter (many/most loads perform differently, and your likely real-time target will be more heavily dressed, be they 2 legged or 4); and off/single-hand, and injury shooting is almost always a softer grip (possibility of 'limp-wristing' or loss of grip). Remember, nothing is ever "routine", and Murphy will be your shadow.
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Old 07-15-2013, 18:08   #4
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For example, I prefer the 200gr Nosler JHP's and in Hodgdon's data, the load min-max for Longshot is 7.0 - 8.2. I don't see any reason to go above 7.0-7.2 for everyday defense. Am I wrong here?
A 200 grain 10mm bullet going 1050 fps develops 490 foot pounds of energy

A 124 grain 9mm round going 1100 fps develops 333 foot pounds of energy

A 230 grain .45 caliber round going 900 fps develops 369 foot pounds of energy.

The hottest Hornady load I have for a .40 S&W, 200 grain bullet goes 950 fps. develops 401 foot pounds of energy.

I believe that all of these rounds are very adequate self defense rounds. Even the "mild" 10mm rounds out perform the other three (on paper).
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Old 07-15-2013, 18:32   #5
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I think your reasoning is sound.... assuming you think making your self defense loads is a good idea…

If so, then a 200 @ 1050 sounds pretty good for human defense

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Old 07-15-2013, 22:21   #6
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I think your reasoning is sound.... assuming you think making your self defense loads is a good idea…

If so, then a 200 @ 1050 sounds pretty good for human defense

Rock solid Nick! I agree completely.

When I used to carry my own "in town" ammo, it was a 165 gr GDHP @1335. Not nuke, but highly functional. I don't carry handloads for SD in town any longer. Good ol' 175 Win STHPs are my load of choice.

I do carry handloads in the wilderness (a 200 gr WFNGC @ 1200 fps).
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Rock solid Nick! I agree completely.

When I used to carry my own "in town" ammo, it was a 165 gr GDHP @1335. Not nuke, but highly functional. I don't carry handloads for SD in town any longer. Good ol' 175 Win STHPs are my load of choice.

I do carry handloads in the wilderness (a 200 gr WFNGC @ 1200 fps).
Yep! Agreed ....

Since 2-legged SD doens't require that much power, I like to keep my CCW mags stoked with something warm, STHP being my best choice. I won't say I've never CCW'ed handloads but I've since stopped the practice.

Out in the woods defense loads? You better BET I'm carrying handloads.
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If it were me I'd use AA#7 due to its low flash properties.

AA#9 would be a second choice.
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