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Old 05-12-2013, 19:07   #26
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I carry a Glock of some sort about 75% of the time and a 1911 of some sort the rest. I feel just fine with the capacity of the 1911. I also carry a SP101 from time to time as well. It only holds 5 rounds. I usually toss two speedloadeers in my pocket when I carry, but sometimes I don't. To each his own. I LOVE the 1911 and Glock platforms. My two favorite pistol platforms.
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Old 05-12-2013, 19:07   #27
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I am going to assume I misinterpreted the attempt at humor and take a stab at this for grins an be cause I am willing to bet that around this forum I am in the 90th percentile when it comes to length of ownership (that would be since 1976)

When I bought my first 1911, series70, there were only three "high cap major" caliber pistols available, BHP, MAB, and the S&W 59 was going through birth pangs. 9mm ammo sucked. At the time it was all ".357 vs.45acp" so I set out to get one of each and see which I preferred. I never really settled that one.

Since then I have purchased all kinds of semi-autos, Springfield XDs, Glocks, CZs and clones, Taurus, Star, Browning, Beretta etc. So I am not unwilling to change. What is most telling is actually not my story, but my wife's.

With all of the handguns I had she became enamored with my Kimber compact. I was carrying it because of my familiarity, its accuracy and round, and the fact that it was stainless steel and, riding flat to my body as I needed, in our costal environment it would have ruined a fine bluing job.

At any rate SWMBO became rather enchanted with a big bullet coming out of a slim pistol that had a nice trigger and no DA/SA transition to learn or no mushy striker fired action to overcome. But, the Compact was something of an enigma to her. She could not find a comfortable way to carry it but yet it wasn't a "range gun" to her. So she set about to remedy that. First the carry issue was dealt with by her unsolicited, un aided (I know nothing, I see nothing) by yours truly, purchase of a Kimber Ultra Raptor II CS. She then set about a one-woman crusade to make sure no 1911-like pistol sat in our tiny LGS guncase for more than week. She has brought home 3 more full size 1911s, Springfield Trophy Match, SIG Scorpion and Taurus PT1911.

You see, besides all the other advantages, she has discovered that the feel and the controls and ergonomics of the 1911 transfer to all sizes and variations. As long as it has a flat mainspring housing she has no trouble transitioning from the Raptor to any full size, and she shoots them well. One system-many sizes She is starting to eye my recently acquired Star PD as a lightweight version of my stainless compact. Heaven help my bank account if the LGS gets a decent alloy framed compact type, there isn't a good "cheap" one.

Now to make life even more interesting we decided last night that before summer is over we are going to pick up one of the RIA 10mm 1911s. She wants to spend time with my other 10mms and we may be ordering a pair of them.

The next thing will be a fullsized frame dedicated to a .22 conversion unit.

I don't know where she got it from but she thinks that throwing a big bullet is better than throwing a small one and she simply shoots a 1911 better than any other big bore semi and that is important to her. Come to think of it, to me as well.

she figured out quickly what it's taken me most of my adult life to relearn.

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Old 05-12-2013, 19:35   #28
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I'm kinda with the OP on this one.
Sometimes I think it has to do with when you got involved/started shooting/started carrying a gun. I've only been in the game about 6 years and I have never been drawn to 1911s. I agree they look great, but I don't see any practicality. If you started on a 1911 or like you will be more likely to have an attachment to the platform. I started on a beretta 96 and moved from that to a XD then to a glock.

To each his own but I wouldn't want to carry a gun that weighs 40oz, is 8 inches long, 6 inches tall, and holds 7 rounds of 45acp which in many factory loadings these days is ballistically inferior to .40/357sig/and even some 9mm.

When I see someone carrying one I always think its pretty cool that they can do it, but they are not for me.
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Old 05-12-2013, 19:44   #29
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The 1911 is also just an accurate gun that I seem to never forget how to shoot. I actually haven't shot one of my 1911s since Dec last year. I decided to bring my DW Valor with me when I shot my M&P 9mm last week and the first 5 shots out of it where all in the X ring at 15 yards. Definitely put a smile on my face

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Old 05-12-2013, 20:15   #30
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I want to echo a bit of CG and Nakano-- I took my daughter shooting, I walked her through a Ruger MKIII, then to a S&W 686 with light .38s moving up to .357, then to my G22, and last my Colt Combat Commander in .45ACP. This was her first time really shooting, she had shot my MKIII on one other occasion but only for a few shots. At the conclusion of our trip I asked her which she might like to shoot more out of what we shot that day. She pointed to the Combat Commander as the pistol she would like to start with on our next trip. She shot it best (after the MKIII) of all the other pistols.

I am more accurate with my Commander than with my Glocks-- I just shoot it better. But truth be known, I shoot my revolver best. (Not that I am that good, all my handguns are more accurate than me.) But I have my biggest smile shooting my 1911.
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Old 05-12-2013, 20:33   #31
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I,being disabled and sorts,I carry my .38+p LCR or SP101 when I am on my motorised scooter cart.,I carry a revolver. Some times one of my 3 S&W m64s. Mainly my 3 incher but,when my artur isn't giveing me crap,I carry my RIA 1911 CS 3.5 inch and I can rack it ok but,there are days I can't.
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Old 05-12-2013, 20:43   #32
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No need to get butt hurt. The guy has solid points.

I love the 1911 platform. It is undoubtedly one of the best shooting and most accurate handguns, but I would not CC one based on weight alone, and I'm not much of a fan of the various different sized down 1911's. I'd probably open carry one if it were legal here.
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Old 05-12-2013, 20:55   #33
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I carry a Glock of some sort about 75% of the time and a 1911 of some sort the rest. I feel just fine with the capacity of the 1911. I also carry a SP101 from time to time as well. It only holds 5 rounds. I usually toss two speedloadeers in my pocket when I carry, but sometimes I don't. To each his own. I LOVE the 1911 and Glock platforms. My two favorite pistol platforms.
Dang near verbatim to what I would have posted. Except my 5 shot is a 649.

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Old 05-12-2013, 22:02   #34
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I'm curious as to why people carry a 1911.


When you look at magazine capacity, size, and weight I feel like you aren't really gaining anything over a lot of other guns.


I've owned pretty much all of the 'other guns' and the only auto pistols I now own are 1911A1s. Magazine capacity is a non issue but the weight is a deal breaker for me when it comes to choosing it for CCW as it was designed as a military sidearm. On the rare ocassion I do carry it's a ti 38 snub. I have am alloy commander build in process so my choice may change!
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Old 05-12-2013, 22:32   #35
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I'm curious as to why people carry a 1911. I don't mean to offend anybody. I am just curious because on paper it seems like an illogical carry weapon. When you look at magazine capacity, size, and weight I feel like you aren't really gaining anything over a lot of other guns. I don't own any 1911's but I have shot some and they are very nice guns that shoot well.

But is there something I am missing? Do 1911's have superior reliability or is simply just the fact that is the most proven design over the years? Or possibly just stubbornness to transition to 21st century designed guns? Please educate me.
It's all about what you get used to. A 1911 is my main carry gun and that's not changing anytime soon.
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Old 05-12-2013, 22:46   #36
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Carried M9's and Glock 19 as duty weapons; I go to a 1911 for CC. I shoot better with it and prefer a single stack magazine profile for conceal ability. Would have gladly carried one of my 1911's with me overseas.
I don't feel "out gunned" at all with "only" 8 rounds per magazine.
I'm very well aware of and trained on newer designs, I choose to CC a 1911 because it's reliable, accurate and perfectly fits my needs in a handgun.
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Old 05-12-2013, 23:09   #37
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Seanmac45 is 100% correct. I took one of my 1911's to Gunsite twice, and never had a problem. I did, however, beat every Glockshooter I shot against. Lot's of rounds didn't help them, but DVC certainly sunk their ships.
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Old 05-12-2013, 23:15   #38
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Thanks guys. I appreciate and respect all the feedback and opinions. I am definitely a novice when it comes to gun knowledge. But I do understand that guns are not a "one size fits all" thing. A couple of you fellas summed it up perfectly by saying "it's just what you are most comfortable with".

One day I'll snag me a nice 1911 to see what all the fuss is about!
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Old 05-12-2013, 23:19   #39
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There are certain pistols that just make you go: "Oooooh!", when you pick them up. 1911's and Browning Hi-Powers are two of the more famous examples. Many people of different sizes find the basic 1911 to be an easy gun to handle and shoot. When I carried one briefly in the military, I saw a 4' 10" gnome-like female qualify with the 1911-A1 when she absolutely could not handle anything else. K-frame Smith and Wesson revolvers are another example: people may drool over Pythons, but the K just feels good. If, under stress, the gun comes up naturally and you hit center without consciously using the sights, then that gun is a winner for you. For many people, the combination of weight, size, angle and balance, trigger and moderate recoil of the 1911 are a good fit. For me, it's a BHP, but I'd be happy with a Government Model too.
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Old 05-12-2013, 23:45   #40
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I am just curious because on paper it seems like an illogical carry weapon. When you look at magazine capacity, size, and weight I feel like you aren't really gaining anything over a lot of other guns.
Capacity is really a non-issue. I'm very comfortable with a five or six round revolver and a speed strip or speed loader in the pocket. I'm very comfortable with six, seven, or eight rounds in a magazine and chamber, and another magazine in my belt line.

I often carry a HK45C with no more capacity than a 1911.

The 1911 is a flat, thin firearm that conceals well, carries well, is comfortable to shoot, and can be kept reliable. It's very ergonomic. A good 1911 is very accurate, very quick into action, very safe, very natural to use.

The bottom line, for me, is that I don't need a reason or an excuse to carry a 1911. I've had them for many years. I like them. They appeal to me. They're very familiar. What I own is very reliable, and I shoot them well. I own Berettas, Sigs, Rugers, S&W's, and all kinds of other handguns; some of them are very good. Few of them have the same appeal as the 1911, and that's good enough reason to carry them, own them, shoot them, or maintain them.

My regular carry personal handgun is a Sig P239 in .40, but I'm often fielding a HK45C these days. There's nothing illogical or uncomfortable about a 1911, however. They were a great design when introduced, and they're an even better design today.
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Here's the thing I preached to people all day long when they come to me about handgun questions people always ask what is the best handgun out there I always say you need to go to a store that has a bunch of guns to choose from hold A bunch of guns and if you can shoot several then make your decision let's face it any handgun over 400 or $500 is basically going to be the same it comes down to personal preference me personally when I was a kid the first semi auto that I shot was a Glock because of that is what I'm used to it it's what I like it's not that it's a supergun it's just what I like

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Wait till the OP finds out that some of us old foggies still carry wheelguns for self defense!!!


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People carry what they shoot best.
People carry what they carry for many different reasons.

I have come to the conclusion that the largest percentage of choices made on carry weapons is based on "like". I think a lot of people simply carry what they like, and then form rationalizations to support carrying what they like.

There are a lot of side-arms that people carry that I just can't logically call good decisions. None-the-less, those people have very stubbornly held reasons for carrying what they do, and no logical debate will sway their opinions.

Let's face it, very few people shoot a 2" 357MAG snubby best. And if everyone made their choices based purely on logic, everyone would carry something like a G19.

And that would be boring.

I do agree that 1911s aren't the best carry choice, but they do have some positive attributes. Still, there are better logical choices for carry out there, especially at that size and weight. But if you ever get the chance to debate the topic with a 1911 lover, you will never sway them away from their decision.

Why? Because most people carry what they "like".

I do think that a lot of "debates" could be cut short if people could simply admit that their choice in carry weapon is based on what they like, and leave it at that.
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[QUOTE=fnfalman;20287565]Wait till the OP finds out that some of us old foggies still carry wheelguns for self defense!!!


I am one of those old fogies that carry a revolver most of the time .
But I always have a mouse gun in my pocket .
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I carry a Wilson Combat for work and an old Colt Lightweight Commander the rest of the time. OK.... occasionally my Ruger LC9 also.

I look at my Colt more fondly than my Wilson, it has more style or something

I would carry an HK, Sig, Glock, Smith also if I had to and wouldn't mind as long as they ran fine.

Love my 1911s for reason already stated by others. In the end though they are just guns.

I someone gave me a USP Compact tomorrow, I'd carry it without a though cause they appeal to me
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People carry what they carry for many different reasons.

I have come to the conclusion that the largest percentage of choices made on carry weapons is based on "like". I think a lot of people simply carry what they like, and then form rationalizations to support carrying what they like.

There are a lot of side-arms that people carry that I just can't logically call good decisions. None-the-less, those people have very stubbornly held reasons for carrying what they do, and no logical debate will sway their opinions.

Let's face it, very few people shoot a 2" 357MAG snubby best. And if everyone made their choices based purely on logic, everyone would carry something like a G19.

And that would be boring.

I do agree that 1911s aren't the best carry choice, but they do have some positive attributes. Still, there are better logical choices for carry out there, especially at that size and weight. But if you ever get the chance to debate the topic with a 1911 lover, you will never sway them away from their decision.

Why? Because most people carry what they "like".

I do think that a lot of "debates" could be cut short if people could simply admit that their choice in carry weapon is based on what they like, and leave it at that.


"something like" is a pretty broad statement. What if a person chose based on inherent accuracy? they wouldn't make the choice you selected. Suppose they based on power? again, the G-19 would lose. Even using the broad bush of "like" a 9mm pistol would be a horrible choice for a couple of uses I have actually put a handgun to and I am glad I didn't have to use one.Also given that people shoot better with a gun they feel comfortable with and feels good? there are a lot of guns that feel better to me than a G-19. There are too many reasons involved and your idea of what is "logical" is just as subjective as anyone else's.

Calling something "logical" is a subjective rationalization as much as any reason. After almost 4 decades of hooting a G-19 wouldn't be my idea of "logical", in fact just trying to say what, even broadly, everyone would chose "something like" is quite illogical. Your criteria for measuring "logical" is going to be different from someone else's.
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"something like" is a pretty broad statement. What if a person chose based on inherent accuracy? they wouldn't make the choice you selected. Suppose they based on power? again, the G-19 would lose. Even using the broad bush of "like" a 9mm pistol would be a horrible choice for a couple of uses I have actually put a handgun to and I am glad I didn't have to use one.Also given that people shoot better with a gun they feel comfortable with and feels good? there are a lot of guns that feel better to me than a G-19. There are too many reasons involved and your idea of what is "logical" is just as subjective as anyone else's.

Calling something "logical" is a subjective rationalization as much as any reason. After almost 4 decades of hooting a G-19 wouldn't be my idea of "logical", in fact just trying to say what, even broadly, everyone would chose "something like" is quite illogical. Your criteria for measuring "logical" is going to be different from someone else's.
On accuracy, a G19 (and any quality pistol) has more inherent mechanical accuracy than shooters have the ability to utilize. And, of course, inherent mechanical accuracy is very low on the priority list (logically) when deciding on a carry firearm. Things like concealability, weight, capacity, sights, etc., are more important for the average CCWer. Carrying a firearm for self-defense has very little to do with standing tall on the firing line and shooting for accuracy at 25 yards.....for the average CCWer.

Power? 9MM has (give or take) the same effective power as .40, 45ACP, .357, or any standard service cartridge. Folks that think that there is any major real-world effectiveness differences between the standard service cartridges are miss-informed. They all perform about the same in the real world when it comes to stopping threats.

And while a G19 (or one of the many similar pistols out there) might not fit your needs, it is a weapon that fits the majority of CCWers needs. Your trying to reply to my post as if it was directed specifically at you is silly. I was looking broad-scope at CCWers as a whole, on average, not focusing on any singular person's needs. You're taking my post subjectively, as if it were addressed towards you and your needs......but it wasn't, it's just an objective observation.

The fact that you think something like G19 isn't a logical choice for the average CCWer, just means that it doesn't fit your needs, not that that statement is un-true. And my assessment of something like a G19 being a good choice is not subjective at all. It's a purely objective observation, based on years of considering what most people need, and most people carry. Here on GT we had a poll thread for a few years, and the G19 was by far the most purchased/carried (favorite) GLOCK pistol.....by far. And since GLOCK has a very real dominance on the current pistol market, it stands to reason that G19s (as a singular, specific model) probably represent the most purchased CCW piece on the market today. Toss in 9MM pistols that are similar in size, weight and capacity to the G19, and that particular category is dominant in sales and usage.

That is what I like to call objective information.

As far as the rest of your reply.......I'm glad we can agree. People normally carry what they "like". Whether they like it because they shoot it well, saw their favorite actor use it in a movie, see LEOs carrying them, their friend has one, they're jumping on the latest band-wagon, or it just looks "cool" to them, is immaterial.......they like them, and that's what matters most. 1911s aren't the best choice out there for the average CCWer, but people do like them.

So, to answer the OPs question objectively; why do people carry 1911s? Most people carry them because they like them.

ETA: One must also consider the "Thread Title Effect", which is very real. The TTE comes into play when your thread title has a specific firearm (ie; "1911") in it. If you have any particular firearm specifically mentioned in your thread title, you will absolutely get that particular firearm's lovers running to post in your thread about how great they are.

Case in point: There have been MANY revolver vrs. auto threads here. And every time, revolver lovers (a particularly passionate group) come running to them, to post about how awesome they are, and how everyone should carry one. The revolver fans (especially the snubby lovers) will argue so hard, for so long, and dominate the thread so badly, that one would get the impression that most people carry revolvers.

But all one has to do, is the go to the stickied thread poll at the top of this sub-forum to see that almost 90% of people here choose to carry an automatic pistol.

So, beware of the Thread Title Effect.

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I was introduced to the 1911 back in 1966 in boot camp. There was just something about that pistol that I just loved. Perhaps it was the trigger, or maybe the 45 caliber bullet it shot, or it's natural point ability, or all the above.
Yes it was heavy, but it just felt oh so right in my hand. My love for the 1911 has never diminished. I do like other pistols, and own many different brands and styles. None however will ever live up to the 1911. Like the M1 Garand it's and American Icon. As far as I'm concerned JMB's birthday should be a National Holiday.
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I am really enjoying this thread. The only 1911 I have is my father's WWII era which is OK, but I have never gotten an "OH....wow" feel from it. But I guess I should try one from the current century before I give up on the platform entirely.

If I may, I would like to toss out a related question.

Does anyone here carry a 1911 in a cartridge OTHER than a .45? Meaning...is the attraction with the 1911 coming from the pattern of the 1911 itself, regardless of caliber or is it the best pattern for using a .45 cartridge?
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Does anyone here carry a 1911 in a cartridge OTHER than a .45? Meaning...is the attraction with the 1911 coming from the pattern of the 1911 itself, regardless of caliber or is it the best pattern for using a .45 cartridge?
I don't but then again I don't own a 1911 that isn't full size either. The one I had, I traded for a new 580 mini 14. In all steel pistols in a 9mm I love the CZ 75's over the 1911's. JMHO but some guns it seems where meant to be full size and shoot 45's and some where meant to shoot 9mm's, and the CZ75's do that very well.
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