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Old 05-13-2013, 09:54   #121
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I sure wish Gaston would listen to what people wanted, but he just doesn't give a damn from what I have read and what products we see!
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Old 05-13-2013, 21:56   #122
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.. Steyr's marketing is weak but the gun is awesome. ....
Although I am not so fond of the trapezoid sights I agree with the second part of your statement.

I have issues with the word "weak" in the first part. Let me replace it with 'awful, atrocious, beschissen, abominable, terrible'.
The Steyr attitude 'You need us, we don't need you' used to work back in Austria and perhaps is still working for them in many countries. (Yes I need them when I misplace a magazine for a ProHunter etc )

I don't mean to pick on the guys in Trussville, Al. They are doing a great job as far as I can tell.

Back to the M&P pistol; I don't like the trigger, and that's why I replaced my S&W with the Croatian One which I eventually traded for another Glock - imagine that.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:19   #123
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Maaan. There's some strong ignora...errr...umm...nonsense being spouted in this thread. Liking many varieties of firearms...I'll just stay out of the Kool Aid flavor war.

From a successfull business perspective...product innovation and marketing often makes a decent product successfull. Add top notch customer service and a willingness to improve the product as necessary...the item/s can become legendary...

For just so long.

While Glock is resting on it's worldwide market laurels and sales...they had better wake up if they want to be a dominant player in the market share. Even if a legend banks on a name and refuse to innovate or offer changes for a fickle market..."the legend" may remain but sales will fade.

Just ask Colt...
I've been saying something similar to this for some time now. Glock was the leader at one time in the poly pistol market. There is no arguing that, as it's a fact. However it's been doing nothing really new or innovative in years. They seem to refuse to listen to there civilian customer base. Hate to say it but many of the other manufactures of poly pistols are listening and doing something about it. As you can see by there designs and new models there definitely not sitting on there butt's doing nothing. As and example. Every single stack 9mm/40cal being sold today Glock could have played major part in, but for some reason chose not to, even when the Civilian customer base was screaming for one for years. Springfield Armory was listening though, So was Walther, Berretta, and a couple others.
Not a good business move on Gaston's part.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:42   #124
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As you can see by there designs and new models there definitely not sitting on there butt's doing nothing.
Ten years from now:

1) S&W will have released another new polymer pistol that addresses the shortcomings of the Sigma and M&P... with new shortcomings of it's own.

2) Wilhelm Bubbles will have designed another weird polymer pistol for some weird customer that was just too awesome for Glock to allow him to design.

3) Bored of the single stack mini-9 fad, American consumers will be looking for single stack mini-45's.

4) Glock will still be "resting on their laurels!" *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*

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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02   #125
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:52   #126
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Out of curiosity for those that say Glock and the M&P are high quality , but the XD/M is not....what is it that makes it inferior?

ETA: I've owned all 3 and still own the XDM/S and M&P. I've taken them all down to bare bones and the quality and components are very similar.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:27   #127
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Out of curiosity for those that say Glock and the M&P are high quality , but the XD/M is not....what is it that makes it inferior?

ETA: I've owned all 3 and still own the XDM/S and M&P. I've taken them all down to bare bones and the quality and components are very similar.
I have multiples of all three brands and I don't consider any one to be significantly better quality than the others.
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Old 05-14-2013, 12:19   #128
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Out of curiosity for those that say Glock and the M&P are high quality , but the XD/M is not....what is it that makes it inferior?

ETA: I've owned all 3 and still own the XDM/S and M&P. I've taken them all down to bare bones and the quality and components are very similar.
I actually think the XDm is at least as good of quality as a Glock or M&P. I love it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 13:07   #129
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Because it's not.

To Glock, it's a niche market already filled w/ several hungry competitors.

When you supply whole Armies/Branches/Agencies...

...everything else is just sweepings.




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Well, that is what Colt said as well. Worked out great for them.
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Old 05-14-2013, 13:30   #130
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Although I am not so fond of the trapezoid sights I agree with the second part of your statement.

I have issues with the word "weak" in the first part. Let me replace it with 'awful, atrocious, beschissen, abominable, terrible'.
The Steyr attitude 'You need us, we don't need you' used to work back in Austria and perhaps is still working for them in many countries. (Yes I need them when I misplace a magazine for a ProHunter etc )
Hmmm... We Steyr folk prefer to think of the company as "discriminating". Anyone can sell to the masses. You won't find Steyr in WalMart, and I for one am pleased.

We are in fact SO pleased we don't feel the need to post anything on SteyrTalk....
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Old 05-14-2013, 13:47   #131
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The Albuquerque Police Department switched from the Glock 17 to the S&W M&P over the last few years. The officers that I've talked to either love it or still carry a Glock.

Sent from the bluegrass state using my LG. Have a GLOCKtastic day!
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Old 05-14-2013, 14:54   #132
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I actually think the XDm is at least as good of quality as a Glock or M&P. I love it.
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I have multiples of all three brands and I don't consider any one to be significantly better quality than the others.
I agree with both of you, but some in this thread seem to think the XD/M is sub-par for some reason and I'm curious as to why. All 3 seem to be right in-line when it comes to quality and materials used so I'm not sure where the thought of the XD/M being less of a gun is coming from. None of my Glocks, XDs/XDM/XDS or M&P FS/Shield have/had a single malfunction or problem. Actually, I've owned 7 XD models in 9mm and 45acp in all sizes, one XDM 4.5 9mm and the XDS 45acp, so I've owned more of them than the others.

I know the Glock has been around for awhile and is used by police and military around the world. The M&P which is designated military and police seem to be used by more and more police departments. The XD/M is used in Croatia, maybe other places that I'm unaware of so maybe it's because more agencies use the other two that make them seem above the XD/M series? I'm not sure, so I hope one of the people saying it's less of a gun chime in and explain why.
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Old 05-14-2013, 15:46   #133
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I actually think the XDm is at least as good of quality as a Glock or M&P. I love it.
I had a XD-9sc that I think was every bit as good as my G26. I'd still have it but it got caught up in a trade that I could not resist. I didn't own the G26 at the time or maybe it would have gone instead of the Xd9sc. Both IMO are very fine reliable pistols and I'd trust my life to either one.
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Old 05-14-2013, 19:38   #134
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We are in fact SO pleased we don't feel the need to post anything on SteyrTalk....
Good for you
... being so pleased, I may find you at steyrclub.com someday.
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Old 05-14-2013, 20:29   #135
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There is absolutely nothing "inferior" about the Springfield XD line.

The ergonomics are the difference...period.

Snobs will be snobs I guess...
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Old 05-14-2013, 20:31   #136
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There is absolutely nothing "inferior" about the Springfield XD line.

The ergonomics are the difference...period.
I agree

I happen to like the ergos, especially the XDm.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:38   #137
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With unprecedented demand, unprecendented orders (backorders), higher sales than ever, I can see why glock doesn't spend countless hours fulfilling the wish list of permit holders. But I do think they need to try more new things.
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