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Old 05-08-2013, 22:39   #176
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If I'm not paying the tax now, but have to pay if this gets passed, that's a new tax!



Well, sucks to be you. Enjoy your "new tax"
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Old 05-08-2013, 22:42   #177
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This is like a Social Security discussion. There are more posts from people opposing it. But assuming that means a true representation is ignoring the fact the opponents are usually louder.

A new tax because you have not paid it before because you ignored the law? Seriously?
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Old 05-08-2013, 22:56   #178
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Two Supreme Court cases have shaped the law on sales tax collection. In 1967, the Court in National Bellas Hess determined that the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution bars a state from compelling an out-of-state retailer from collecting taxes on sales to its residents. A quarter century later, the Court in Quill said National Bellas Hess remains good law – and the state of North Dakota cannot compel Quill to collect taxes from North Dakota purchasers.

The Court in Quill concluded that collection is a burden on interstate commerce and continued to endorse the importance of a bright-line rule for out-of-state retailers. The decision was guided by the principles that taxes must be fair and nondiscriminatory, that there must be substantial nexus with the jurisdiction and a relationship between the tax and any state-provided services.

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Old 05-08-2013, 23:10   #179
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This is like a Social Security discussion. There are more posts from people opposing it. But assuming that means a true representation is ignoring the fact the opponents are usually louder.

A new tax because you have not paid it before because you ignored the law? Seriously?
Do you pay taxes on every internet purchase you make or are you guilty like the tens of millions of other American of being "tax cheats/evaders"?
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Old 05-08-2013, 23:12   #180
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Well, sucks to be you. Enjoy your "new tax"
Hasn't passed, yet. It seems there are a number of Republicans and some Democrats in the House who also see this as a new tax and are likely to vote against it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 23:14   #181
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Hasn't passed, yet. It seems there are a number of Republicans and some Democrats in the House who also see this as a new tax and are likely to vote against it.


Nah, its going to pass. Politicians, and big business's want it, because its leveling the playing field.


Its only really the cheats who want to evade it/stop it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 23:18   #182
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Do you pay taxes on every internet purchase you make or are you guilty like the tens of millions of other American of being "tax cheats/evaders"?
I never said I did. I questioned the guy saying it was a new tax. Reading comprehension, I highly recommend it.
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I never said I did. I questioned the guy saying it was a new tax. Reading comprehension, I highly recommend it.
You should take your own advice about reading comprehension as I asked a yes or no question.
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Says a guy who's crying its a new tax. Oh sweet irony.
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Nah, its going to pass. Politicians, and big business's want it, because its leveling the playing field.
As of yesterday, it's not on the House's legislative calender.


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Its only really the cheats who want to evade it/stop it.
You better tell that to the small businesses who oppose the bill. Not to mention the over reach of government. Nice try, though.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/07/smal...tax/index.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjourna....html?page=all

place.org/topics/tech/small-not-big-online-retailers-oppose-internet-sales-tax

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ll_118255.html
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Says a guy who's crying its a new tax. Oh sweet irony.
If you say so.
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Its an "over reach" to close a loop hole?


Of course little business's oppose it, they're hiding behind it to make an extra buck.


Its going to pass, it might take a while, but it will. And then you'll have to pay the taxes you've been dodging.
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If you say so.


You cry reading comprehension, but yet you don't comprehend a tax that you are currently evading, being enforced isn't a new tax.




You also think its a "Gov't over reach" to close a loophole.



Yes, that is the definition of irony.
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You cry reading comprehension, but yet you don't comprehend a tax that you are currently evading, being enforced isn't a new tax.
If that's what you think.




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You also think its a "Gov't over reach" to close a loophole.



Yes, that is the definition of irony.
State reaching into another state to collect taxes on businesses without having a say in the taxing state is that not .gov overreach? That's taxation without representation.
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If that's what you think.





State reaching into another state to collect taxes on businesses without having a say in the taxing state is that not .gov overreach? That's taxation without representation.


Not if you're doing business across their state boundaries its not.
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Not if you're doing business across their state boundaries its not.
Yes it is and I just explained why it is.
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Old 05-09-2013, 00:04   #192
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Income tax began in 1913, (which coincides with the creation of The Federal Reserve) and I am sure prior to that we had an army, roads, bridges, etc.
Prior to the federal income taxes, a third of the federal income came from excise taxes on alcohol; some states got 2/3 their money from alcohol. They had to find a revenue replacement before they could get alcohol prohibition passed.
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Yes it is and I just explained why it is.


No, you explained why you FEEL it is.


The problem, is you can't or don't understand that how you feel, is not the same as how it is.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:01   #194
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As a small business that does some mail order, I think passing this bill is a bad idea. Actually, in this economy it's a horrible idea. The internet has been a huge boon to small business in that it opens them to a much wider audience than would be affordable through previously conventional marketing. This is a plus for everyone in the chain from materials suppliers to shippers and likely represents billions of dollars circulating through the economy.
If this bill were to pass many, many small businesses would be forced to discontinue internet sales. The management and cost of compliance with so many jurisdictions would outweigh the profits. Big folks like Amazon can afford it but little guys like me can not. Now, taking just my business out of the pool wouldn't cause a ripple but multiply that by hundreds of thousands and you are putting a serious dent in the economy. It's not just our businesses that are impacted but also all the associated suppliers. Packaging won't get sold, printing services won't get used, raw materials won't be purchased and incoming/outgoing postage/shipping won't happen. There's much more at stake here than just 'leveling the playing field'. Mail order has never been taxed before. Doing so now would be very damaging in many ways.

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I did not see the 1 million part earlier. However, as others have said...how long before they start chipping away at that. We, as a group tend to not trust the feds getting more involved in gun laws for that very reason.

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Old 05-09-2013, 04:15   #195
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I'm going to stock up on ammo!

Oh, wait...

It seems everytime congress meets we lose a little more...

Are you aware of what the impact of that moronic Carbon Credit Cap and Trade scheme, in addition to this latest brilliance, would've done to your to-your-door cost of almost everything you buy onlie?

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Old 05-09-2013, 04:20   #196
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I am totally against it.

A business has to keep track of hundreds of local sales taxes.
Maybe it would be OK if it was only applied to the state the seller was located.
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Every time the government imposes a new tax, regulation, or executive order they destroy just another little bit of your personal freedom and they use it to empower AND enrich themselves.

Why anyone would gleefully surrender their money to another tax is hard to fathom. You are giving up your ability to decide for yourself how your money should be spent and empowering some corrupt body of politicians to spend your money in any way that benefits them politically. Oh wait...you thought they were benign stewards of the treasury! Yeah right.

If that's what you think go to Washington DC sometime and look around. The District and the surrounding counties in Maryland and Northern VA are the wealthiest counties in the nation. They don't make a single car there. They don't roll a single piece of steel. They don't mine coal. They don't make a damn thing. How did that area get so rich? You sent them your money....and they "need" more. The fact that they civide you into classes and tell you they will take it from the other classes never really dawns on you until they come knocking on your door. After all, who couldn't be for a tax that some rich guy or some corporation has to pay. Forget the fact that they are American citizens like you. And if you don't surrender even more they will make you wait in your airports and cut your school funding, and make you suffer. Of course you gave them this power...they've got you over a barrel.

Go ahead, send them more money. Help them accrue more power over you. Feed the beast. Just don't be surprised someday when you have given that last drop of blood when they come back and ask for your arm.

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I'm going to stock up on ammo!

Oh, wait...

It seems everytime congress meets we lose a little more...

Are you aware of what the impact of that moronic Carbon Credit Cap and Trade scheme, in addition to this latest brilliance, would've done to your to-your-door cost of almost everything you buy onlie?

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Read my siggy! lol

If this passes the house, it will change my shopping habits zero.
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Virtually every post regarding this subject is forgetting one simple fact: Taxes were instituted in order to pay for services provided by the government that people can't provide for themselves...roads, bridges, public safety etc. They were not implemented to "level the playing field" or any other such nonsense. So I ask the question, what service(s) is the government going to provide directly related to internet sales? As someone who has held a high elected office, I can't fathom voting for such crap, much less people saying that it is a good thing.
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