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Old 05-07-2013, 22:29   #126
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I always thought it was BS that stores also have to act as free labor for the tax collectors, and I do agree that the logistics of implementing this will be as murky as obamacare.

But I keep hearing people argue that they are going to be paying new taxes, or more taxes. What they are really saying is,
"It's going to get harder for me to cheat on my taxes"
Do you pay taxes on every internet purchase?
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Old 05-07-2013, 22:33   #127
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Do you pay taxes on every internet purchase?
As I previously stated, I am not going to argue the ethics of cheating on taxes.

I can say without a doubt that at some point, I purchased something out of state and neglected to pay the use tax on it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 22:42   #128
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I always thought it was BS that stores also have to act as free labor for the tax collectors, and I do agree that the logistics of implementing this will be as murky as obamacare.

But I keep hearing people argue that they are going to be paying new taxes, or more taxes. What they are really saying is,
"It's going to get harder for me to cheat on my taxes"
That and that businesses that probably can't afford it will be unfairly penalized with onerous regulatory responsibilities. I feel I am taxed enough and don't really have problem rationalizing not paying sales tax, which is a particularly regressive tax that penalizes you more the lower your income is, when I can do so. I have lived in jurisdictions where the sales tax was ten percent and can't for the life of me understand why it was so high or what was becoming of the money - makes it easy to rationalize evasion. If folks want true equality, then taxes ought to be the same for everyone.
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Old 05-07-2013, 22:42   #129
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As I previously stated, I am not going to argue the ethics of cheating on taxes.
Where, in my yes or no question, did I say anything about ethics?

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I can say without a doubt that at some point, I purchased something out of state and neglected to pay the use tax on it.
So, you're a tax evader like the rest of us.

The Founding Fathers were tax evaders, bootleggers and mistrusted the .gov.


There's a saying, a famous one: Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone.
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Old 05-07-2013, 22:47   #130
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Of the three people who agree with the internet sales tax bill, one claims to not buy anything online, and the other two are from California. Why is that not surprising?
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Old 05-07-2013, 23:07   #131
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Where, in my yes or no question, did I say anything about ethics?


So, you're a tax evader like the rest of us.

The Founding Fathers were tax evaders, bootleggers and mistrusted the .gov.


There's a saying, a famous one: Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone.

I think having speed limits on highways is a good idea, but I would be lying if I said I never speeded even once in my life.

Same thing with the use tax, not advocating cheating on taxes, but I am being realistic and honest in assuming that I have done it.

I am not about to argue why one should cheat on taxes, what notable people in history were tax cheats, or make a very poor comparison to the scriptures commandments on judging your fellow man.
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Old 05-07-2013, 23:11   #132
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Of the three people who agree with the internet sales tax bill, one claims to not buy anything online, and the other two are from California. Why is that not surprising?
Your logic is watertight sir, well done!

Perhaps we should include our age, race, religion, and sexual preference so you can make further sweeping generalizations
Maybe you could just quote where I said I supported it.
I am simply calling out the complainers as tax cheats complaining that cheating on taxes is about to get harder.

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Old 05-07-2013, 23:27   #133
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I think having speed limits on highways is a good idea, but I would be lying if I said I never speeded even once in my life.
That's all right, I break some sort of law everyday.

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Same thing with the use tax, not advocating cheating on taxes, but I am being realistic and honest in assuming that I have done it.
Very good!

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I am not about to argue why one should cheat on taxes, what notable people in history were tax cheats, or make a very poor comparison to the scriptures commandments on judging your fellow man.
It's a very good comparison for the self-righteous, sanctimonious people crying about fairness.

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Your logic is watertight sir, well done!
Thanks.

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Perhaps we should include our age, race, religion, and sexual preference so you can make further sweeping generalizations
That would be cool. You first.

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Maybe you could just quote where I said I supported it.
Here your tacit support:
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But I keep hearing people argue that they are going to be paying new taxes, or more taxes. What they are really saying is,
"It's going to get harder for me to cheat on my taxes"
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I am simply calling out the complainers as tax cheats complaining that cheating on taxes is about to get harder.
Sure you are.
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So are you against it because it's going to be harder for you to cheat on your taxes?
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What's next, internet porn tax?
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So are you against it because it's going to be harder for you to cheat on your taxes?
Believe it or not, some people are just against a wrong, even if it doesn't effect them directly.

It might not be that everyone opposed is a "tax cheat", as much as they recognize how unfair it is to make businesses keep up and comply with tax codes in some 6,000 tax jurisdictions.

A lot of simple minded fools think that all business owners are rich, and are riding high on capitalism. But when you are an actual business owner, you know how hard it is, how many regulations you have to comply with, how much it cost to comply with them, and you wonder why anyone in their right mind would ever go into business in the US.

The US tax code is the single largest impediment to job and economic growth in the US. And they are trying to make it even worse.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:13   #137
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Relax. It's for retailers with sales over $1,000,000.

Are you one of them?
So they say. Initially the federal income tax only applied to really high income people.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:45   #139
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...les-tax-amazon

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to me.
Maybe you're thinking too much today.

Take it back a notch and maybe the light will shine through your window.
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So are you against it because it's going to be harder for you to cheat on your taxes?
I'm against any tax. Period.
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I'm against any tax. Period.
You are the true American!!!
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Old 05-08-2013, 18:51   #142
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I haven't read every response in this thread yet, but the biggest problem I see with this issue is our government continuing to violate The Constitution. Article I, Section 7 states that all revenue bills shall originate in the House of Representatives. It's amazing that nobody in Congress is even bothering to point this out. So whether you agree with the tax or not, the bigger issue here is its unconstitutionality. This is what they did with the bail out, which after the first version which originated in the House failed, the Senate created a new version, which they approved and then they sent it to the House for approval and this time it was passed.
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I'm against any tax. Period.
how would we fund our military?
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how would we fund our military?
Income tax began in 1913, (which coincides with the creation of The Federal Reserve) and I am sure prior to that we had an army, roads, bridges, etc.
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Income tax began in 1913, (which coincides with the creation of The Federal Reserve) and I am sure prior to that we had an army, roads, bridges, etc.
Do you think we could fund the military of today with the same way we did it back then?

Also I'll add, you do know there were taxes before 1913 don't you?

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Do you think we could fund the military of today with the same way we did it back then?
Technology today is definitely different, but it is relative. The technology back then was innovative and expensive at the time as well. But you do have a point in that it would be harder today because now we have cronies to keep happy for handsome kick backs and campaign donations.
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how would we fund our military?
Umm, we could cut spending anywhere and everywhere.

It's not a revenue problem, it's spending!
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Umm, we could cut spending anywhere and everywhere.

It's not a revenue problem, it's spending!
Bingo! Stop funding welfare programs for illegal immigrants, stop welfare to big banks and corporations in the form of bail outs, stop spending money on stupid laws, etc and there won't be a need for new taxes or increases in already existing ones.

Oh, and stop foreign aid and weapons to countries that hate us.
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This is a record tax collection year - 2.7 trillion! - Still we are running trillion + dollar deficits.

How much more is the .gov going to extort from us?

How much more is the tax payer willing to pay?

That, among other reasons, is why I don't have a problem starving the .gov of money, my money.
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