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Old 05-20-2013, 13:09   #76
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# of leftists who peed in their pants.....wait, did anyone count? Or it doesn't count
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Old 05-22-2013, 13:13   #77
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Wow. I did not know that.
They were going to cut back/eliminate no carry zones for Cpl, but eliminate that open carry with Cpl loophole. End result would have been concealed carry in schools.

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Old 05-22-2013, 13:41   #78
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I assume you are a teacher. And I absolutely agree that teachers should in fact be allowed To carry in school. Hell, I wish the teachers where my kids go to school would carry guns. I just disagree with OPEN CARRY, ESPECIALLY IN SCHOOLS. Why anyone would choose to open carry, WHEN THEY CAN CONCEAL, is beyond me. For, the element of surprise, is everything. And certainly increases your chances of surviving a gun battle vs. Open carry where bad guy knows before hand your carrying a gun. HUGE TACTICAL ADVANTAGE. Its all just common sense.
They say being wise is the ability to listen and understand both sides of the argument. Please allow me to help you.

1.Comfort: Would you debate that for some people it could be a more comfortable way to carry?

2.If more people open carried and it was more common place, then bad guy's would have a visual clue of where not to attack.
If all school employees were armed and showing, do you think it would get attacked by people intent on causing mass death? Or would they go to the next school where there might be people concealed carrying but they have never seen...

and finally...

3.It is their right to do so, they don't need a reason.
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Old 05-22-2013, 18:25   #79
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They say being wise is the ability to listen and understand both sides of the argument. Please allow me to help you.

1.Comfort: Would you debate that for some people it could be a more comfortable way to carry?

Carrying a gun may be comforting but rarely is it "comfortable" so that doesn't wash for me.

2.If more people open carried and it was more common place, then bad guy's would have a visual clue of where not to attack.

And if the bad guy is carrying concealed he has the advantage of surprise and can see who to shoot first


If all school employees were armed and showing, do you think it would get attacked by people intent on causing mass death?

Again, the bad guys don't pay fair, they would as likely shoot the OC'ers first


Or would they go to the next school where there might be people concealed carrying but they have never seen...

If it was known that there were CCW's in all the schools that might give them pause, due to doubts as to who they might be, not exposing them as "first targets".

and finally...

3.It is their right to do so, they don't need a reason.

Maturity teaches many people that "just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do it"


There are a few good reasons to OC in the right circumstances and, I for one wish that some jurisdictions would get over the asinine restrictions concerning casual exposure of a CW, but I feel no urgency to be the only person in the place OCing when some dingbat decides to surprise everyone by shooting the place up. I also don't wear a T-shirt that says "Shoot me first" with a bullseye on it. I want to "counter-surprise" the SOB.

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Old 05-22-2013, 18:35   #80
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Cops Open Carry.
Bad guys seem to have no problem targeting/attacking them.
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Well... he might also have said as he walked away "I brought a gun to school and nobody died."

I generally frown on the young guys who march up and down a busy street fully armed waiting for a photo op with a cop so they can make a statement, but this is different. I wish the sight of guns in schools were normalized. And it's not that they're not 'normal' -- any time a cop walks in, a gun walks in with him and no one blinks. This pic of an Israeli schoolteacher says a lot -- the left claims kids are traumatized by guns, but I don't see that here. It's really this simple: The difference between Israeli society and here is that they know where they live, and we still can't believe it. "I didn't think it could happen here..." We are experiencing an unprecedented growth in random vioelnce, and as far as I'm concerned, if you're not arming to deal with it (guy in Louisiana who got his family beat up when he pumped gas in the 'wrong' neighborhood) you're an idiot. That we who know better allow our kids to be bussed off to gun free zones every day without long, loud protests and demands for this kind of security, is a head scratcher. I'm guilty too. Don't want to rock a boat.

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Cops Open Carry.
Bad guys seem to have no problem targeting/attacking them.
I never thought of OC that way. Good analysis.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:35   #83
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There are a few good reasons to OC in the right circumstances and, I for one wish that some jurisdictions would get over the asinine restrictions concerning casual exposure of a CW, but I feel no urgency to be the only person in the place OCing when some dingbat decides to surprise everyone by shooting the place up. I also don't wear a T-shirt that says "Shoot me first" with a bullseye on it. I want to "counter-surprise" the SOB.
Country, I believe you're mellowing a bit around the edges. Good post.
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Country, I believe you're mellowing a bit around the edges. Good post.
Aw, just because I used the abbreviation "SOB"?


It was only for brevity.
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I never thought of OC that way. Good analysis.
Apples to oranges comparison.



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Do you think a bad guy that would shoot a cop won't shoot an OC'er because they aren't wearing a uniform ?

How long do you think it would take before gangbangers make popping an Oc'er and taking his gun a right of passage?
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Do you think a bad guy that would shoot a cop won't shoot an OC'er because they aren't wearing a uniform ?

How long do you think it would take before gangbangers make popping an Oc'er and taking his gun a right of passage?
Good question.....but since there is no data to support that concept, its dismissed.

IIRC, from an FBI or some other alphabet agency study, a vast majority of criminals would avoid a situation where they saw an armed individual.

I guess the question should be asked, how often are LEOs attacked for just open carrying?



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No shortage of armed security guards who've been targeted/attackd/killed by criminals.

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My guess they are still viewed as LEO, although they aren't.

Were they attacked for Open Carrying or because of their role?



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They say being wise is the ability to listen and understand both sides of the argument. Please allow me to help you.

1.Comfort: Would you debate that for some people it could be a more comfortable way to carry?

Carrying a gun may be comforting but rarely is it "comfortable" so that doesn't wash for me.

2.If more people open carried and it was more common place, then bad guy's would have a visual clue of where not to attack.

And if the bad guy is carrying concealed he has the advantage of surprise and can see who to shoot first


If all school employees were armed and showing, do you think it would get attacked by people intent on causing mass death?

Again, the bad guys don't pay fair, they would as likely shoot the OC'ers first


Or would they go to the next school where there might be people concealed carrying but they have never seen...

If it was known that there were CCW's in all the schools that might give them pause, due to doubts as to who they might be, not exposing them as "first targets".

and finally...

3.It is their right to do so, they don't need a reason.

Maturity teaches many people that "just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do it"





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There are a few good reasons to OC in the right circumstances and, I for one wish that some jurisdictions would get over the asinine restrictions concerning casual exposure of a CW, but I feel no urgency to be the only person in the place OCing when some dingbat decides to surprise everyone by shooting the place up. I also don't wear a T-shirt that says "Shoot me first" with a bullseye on it. I want to "counter-surprise" the SOB.
I like this ^ I was going to respond to longtooths, but countrygun sums up my thoughts, exactly. Well done

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Do you think a bad guy that would shoot a cop won't shoot an OC'er because they aren't wearing a uniform ?

How long do you think it would take before gangbangers make popping an Oc'er and taking his gun a right of passage?
Yes. And why its much safer to: CONCEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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My guess they are still viewed as LEO, although they aren't.

Were they attacked for Open Carrying or because of their role?



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Attacked by criminals who had no fear of their openly armed status.

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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?

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Aw, just because I used the abbreviation "SOB"?


It was only for brevity.
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Apples to oranges comparison.



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My guess they are still viewed as LEO, although they aren't.

Were they attacked for Open Carrying or because of their role?



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So the bad guys are not perceptive enough or intelligent enough to be able to determine the difference between a police officer and a money transfer courier but will be able to tell the difference between a plain clothes officer and a non sworn open carrier.
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