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Old 05-04-2013, 21:30   #126
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Speaking of math:

I read somewhere the distance of the shot was ~81 meters long. The sixth floor is ~60' high.

Given these measurements, what was the ~angle of the shot?

The Okie Corral

I know it's not exact, but it may shed light on something.
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Old 05-04-2013, 21:33   #127
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The bullet shown as 'the' bullet, is not pristine, has a bend(s) and some mass missing...

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Lots of people here shoot rifles a lot. Who here thinks they could have made those shots?

I have, and I don't think I could have on my best day.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:15   #129
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Lots of people here shoot rifles a lot. Who here thinks they could have made those shots?

I have, and I don't think I could have on my best day.
Oswald wasn't trying to make the Magic shot. He was just trying to hit Kennedy, which he did, and which you or I could probably have done in the circumstances. The Magic shot was a one-in-a-million event, true, but then every shot is when you think about it.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:24   #130
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Oswald wasn't trying to make the Magic shot. He was just trying to hit Kennedy, which he did, and which you or I could probably have done in the circumstances. The Magic shot was a one-in-a-million event, true, but then every shot is when you think about it.
I don't know. A friend of mine helped set up the Book Depository Museum when I was in Dallas. We used to tell him while he was doing it, that he really needed to put in a video game where people could come up and try and make the shot.

My route home every day, four two years, from my office in the West End, was the exact same one that Kennedy took. Every time I would drive down Elm st., and look over at the book depository building and the grassy knoll, it was hard not to wonder.

I was working in the perfect place to figure it out, or at least learn more about it, but I never bothered, because I figured, it just didn't really matter.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:30   #131
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Lots of people here shoot rifles a lot. Who here thinks they could have made those shots?

I have, and I don't think I could have on my best day.
You're kidding right? Longest distance was 88 yards on a slow moving vehicle with a 6.5 mm high powered rifle and a 4x scope. Heck, I probably could have done it and I'm not a great shot. Oh, and the Marines said Oswald was a very good shot.
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I don't know. A friend of mine helped set up the Book Depository Museum when I was in Dallas. We used to tell him while he was doing it, that he really needed to put in a video game where people could come up and try and make the shot.

My route home every day, four two years, from my office in the West End, was the exact same one that Kennedy took. Every time I would drive down Elm st., and look over at the book depository building and the grassy knoll, it was hard not to wonder.

I was working in the perfect place to figure it out, or at least learn more about it, but I never bothered, because I figured, it just didn't really matter.
Hitting a man-size target slowly moving away at 100 yards is basically what we're talking about, isn't it?
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Lots of people here shoot rifles a lot. Who here thinks they could have made those shots?

I have, and I don't think I could have on my best day.
You mean the time factor right? The shots themselves would be fairly easy, but doing it as fast as the warren's commission asserts LHO did it is impossible, IMO, given the same equipment.
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Another CARTOON to support the cover up story. This never gets old!
It's an example to better illustrate what happened. There's an video of the event too that shows exactly what happened, but you think there's something wrong with the video I bet.

Frankly I'm not surprised at you believing in this conspiracy too considering your gullibility. Is there one that you don't believe in? Perhaps my airplane pooping theory contradicts your chemtrail theory so you can't believe in both?
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You mean the time factor right? The shots themselves would be fairly easy, but doing it as fast as the warren's commission asserts LHO did it is impossible, IMO, given the same equipment.
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You mean the time factor right? The shots themselves would be fairly easy, but doing it as fast as the warren's commission asserts LHO did it is impossible, IMO, given the same equipment.
2 shots in 6-8 seconds. Seems doable to me.

It isn't THREE shots, it's 2. You start from the report of the first round. NOW the clock starts. 2 more shots in 6-8 seconds is not only possible, but absolutely probable.

Conspiracy theorists almost always start with a flawed conjecture: this is a sane world and no one man would do that.

Why is there little to no conspiracy theories regarding the OK city bombing????
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Conspiracy threads serve an important need, identifying whom need be put on ignore.

Try it, much less static to noise ratio effortlessly achieved.

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The Okie Corral

I'll take the word of Michale Baden, Werner Spitz and a dozen other renowned forensic pathologists along with my own experience and understanding of anatomy anyday.
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Another CARTOON to support the cover up story. This never gets old!

Simply put, the Zapruder film was, to quote Bruce Willis from Die Hard, "a monkey in the wrench" to the whole cover up. Several eyewitnesses the day of 11-22-1963 reported hearing from 6 to 8 shots, and some said they heard possibly more shots, but cannot say for sure because several of the shots sounded like they came at the exact same or nearly the exact same time.

These come from eyewitnesses, news reports, and newspaper accounts as the Warren Commission refused to hear anything/anyone that didn't align with their version of only 3 shots from the direction of the school book depository.
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Speaking of math:

I read somewhere the distance of the shot was ~81 meters long. The sixth floor is ~60' high.

Given these measurements, what was the ~angle of the shot?

The Okie Corral

I know it's not exact, but it may shed light on something.
Is that a CARTOON being used to support the conspiracy theory?

It all depends on whose ox is being gored doesn't it?
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Lots of people here shoot rifles a lot. Who here thinks they could have made those shots?

I have, and I don't think I could have on my best day.


I have made significantly harder shots than a 88 yd shot on a target sitting in a car, slowly motoring down a street in a predictable path.



I'm not even what I would call a "great" shot.
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You mean the time factor right? The shots themselves would be fairly easy, but doing it as fast as the warren's commission asserts LHO did it is impossible, IMO, given the same equipment.
Exactly, maybe I should have been more specific for people who are not as up on the exact scenario we are talking about.

Given plenty of time, yeah, most people who shoot bolt action rifles a lot, could do it. We used to shoot bottle caps at 100 yards with our .222's. But, throw in the time constraints, and no chance to practice shooting from such an extreme angle, at a moving target?

Throw in "Buck Fever", I mean after all, you are about to shoot the President?
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Exactly, maybe I should have been more specific for people who are not as up on the exact scenario we are talking about.

Given plenty of time, yeah, most people who shoot bolt action rifles a lot, could do it. We used to shoot bottle caps at 100 yards with our .222's. But, throw in the time constraints, and no chance to practice shooting from such an extreme angle, at a moving target?

Throw in "Buck Fever", I mean after all, you are about to shoot the President?
Targets moving directly towards or away from you don't really require much practice.
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You mean the time factor right? The shots themselves would be fairly easy, but doing it as fast as the warren's commission asserts LHO did it is impossible, IMO, given the same equipment.
It is not impossible. On discovery channel they had a guy replicate the shots with the same type gun, scope and ammunition.

It was the same show that debunked all the "nobody could do it in that time frame scenarios"

LHO may have been lucky that day but it was not an impossible shot.

ETA: The shot they did was just head shot.

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Exactly, maybe I should have been more specific for people who are not as up on the exact scenario we are talking about.

Given plenty of time, yeah, most people who shoot bolt action rifles a lot, could do it. We used to shoot bottle caps at 100 yards with our .222's. But, throw in the time constraints, and no chance to practice shooting from such an extreme angle, at a moving target?

Throw in "Buck Fever", I mean after all, you are about to shoot the President?
He wasn't shooting a bottlecap, he was shooting a man.
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True! Why expose yourself to new or different viewpoints when you can restrict your GT experience to a myopic act of circular ego & intellectual flaggelation with folks who think exactly like you. Sounds like a hoot!
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True! Why expose yourself to new or different viewpoints when you can restrict your GT experience to a myopic act of circular ego & intellectual flaggelation with folks who think exactly like you. Sounds like a hoot!
Typical conspiracy theorist logic:

Idiot: This is what really happened.

Logical person: Really? What proof do you have?

Idiot: A & B

Logical person: A did not happen and B isn't really proof of anything.

Idiot: Can you prove that's not what happened?

Logical person: That's not really how proof works. And there is a video of it happening a different way.

Idiot: Video is faked.

Logical person: Well, what proof do you have of that?

Idiot: There is no proof, that's what makes it a conspiracy theory!

Logical person: I give up.

Idiot: I win!

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Speaking of math:

I read somewhere the distance of the shot was ~81 meters long. The sixth floor is ~60' high.

Given these measurements, what was the ~angle of the shot?
Well, the angle you drew was arcsin(60/265)... however, bullets don't travel in straight lines.
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Typical conspiracy theorist logic:

Idiot: This is what really happened.

Logical person: Really? What proof do you have?

Idiot: A & B

Logical person: A did not happen and B isn't really proof of anything.

Idiot: Can you prove that's not what happened?

Logical person: That's not really how proof works. And there is a video of it happening a different way.

Idiot: Video is faked.

Logical person: Well, what proof do you have of that?

Idiot: There is no proof, that's what makes it a conspiracy theory!

Logical person: I give up.

Idiot: I win!

Source: GT:GNG Actual thread

Sounds like religious people.....


Conspiracy nuts and religious folks have more in common than they realize/
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Typical conspiracy theorist logic: .........
I see that I'm not on your ignore list, good for you. I am comfortable engaging in debate, and agreeing to disagree (when necessary) with many of you. The last thing I would do here is enable a setting that is the internet equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and shouting "la la la la la!".
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