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Old 05-01-2013, 20:28   #26
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[Note: The Miami-Dade Public School System has its own Police force, and its Chief reports to the School Board and Superintendent - Not the Police Department.
Two competing agencies with different, and diverging, social policies.

Again, why aren't his parents' feet being held to the fire for raising him like they did?

cz, instead of complaining and whining, what's your plan? Give us your plan!
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Old 05-01-2013, 20:45   #27
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If the kid was white, no one would ever have heard of the story. The whole thing is a joke. The reason this kid got media attention is the same reason obama got elected twice. Idiots.

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There was a victim- they just didn't look for the victim when they caught him with the jewelry and burglar tool because they swept things under the rug to improve their statistics.

"The internal documentation used by SRO Dunn only listed the contents of the backpack as “found items” and a burglary tool. He was trying to avoid subjecting the student [Trayvon Martin] to a criminal investigation, therefore no criminal report, nor investigation was initiated."

"This action by SRO Dunn was taken at the direction and request of former M-DSPD Police Chief Hurley who had advised his officers to avoid writing criminal reports on student offenders; Apparently in an attempt to artificially improve the recorded criminal student statistics."

"The internal report #2011-11477 never attached the stolen property to the student who was carrying it when searched. The property was taken to the custody of Carmen Gonzalez, Property Specialist, where it was held, and still should be located."

"The details surrounding this event are outlined in the following sworn affidavits completed by members of the Miami-Dade School Police Department. (they are extensive)"

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"As mentioned, if you contact the victim of Miami-Dade burglary #PD111021-422483, and review with them the property confiscated by M-DSPD SRO Dunn listed under #2011-11477, we believe you will be able to return at least a portion of the stolen merchandise."

"Perhaps some of the items returned may have sentimental, as well as obvious financial, value."
So I now have to go look for victims along with the bad guys too?

I'm not sure you know how this works.

So it was basically 'recovered property', they knew he didn't 'own' the property but couldn't prove that he had stolen it. You get what I'm saying?
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Old 05-01-2013, 21:01   #29
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The article says the burglary was reported/occurred on 10/21/2011. But for the search of his bag, the article only says October 2011.

Did I miss the date when his bag was searched?
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So I now have to go look for victims along with the bad guys too?

I'm not sure you know how this works.

So it was basically 'recovered property', they knew he didn't 'own' the property but couldn't prove that he had stolen it. You get what I'm saying?
They didn't try to prove he stole it and it wasn't checked against burglaries in the area because they listed it as "found property" to improve their statistics - so no I don't get it.
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There was a victim- they just didn't look for the victim when they caught him with the jewelry and burglar tool because they swept things under the rug to improve their statistics.
So if the police catch you in your car with a TV and a screwdriver, and you don't have a receipt or proof of ownership for that TV, the police should go look for a victim who's going to report a missing TV?

"Prove" you stole the TV? While using the screwdriver as your burglary tool?
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The article says the burglary was reported/occurred on 10/21/2011. But for the search of his bag, the article only says October 2011.

Did I miss the date when his bag was searched?
October 21
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The article says the burglary was reported/occurred on 10/21/2011. But for the search of his bag, the article only says October 2011.

Did I miss the date when his bag was searched?
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They didn't try to prove he stole it and it wasn't checked against burglaries in the area because they listed it as "found property" to improve their statistics - so no I don't get it.
What's the timeline?

How should they have listed the jewlery that they found in his bag? What level of proof should that require?
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What's the timeline?

How should they have listed the jewlery that they found in his bag? What level of proof should that require?
I carry all kind of weird things with me too.
If the police find my bloody knife in my truck,should they then assume I stabbed someone?
Should they go and try to find a stabbing victim?

I really don't like all this assumed guilt.

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Cite please.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...-burglary-tool
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What's the timeline?

How should they have listed the jewlery that they found in his bag? What level of proof should that require?
The school police chief got caught cooking the books on more than the Martin burglary:

Miami Schools Police Chief Charles Hurley Accused Of Baker Acting Students To Decrease Crime Stats

http://bx.businessweek.com/u-miami-s...n_1519015.html

They finally fired him, but not for that- he was accused of sexual harassment.
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OK, so the burglary was reported on 10/21/11, and his bag was also searched on 10/21/11. But still there's no proof that when his bag was searched and the jewlery found, that (1) he actually participated in the burglary, and (2) the burglary had already been reported.

You feel OK to arrest everyone who are in possession of stuff they can't shown proof of ownership?

"Arrest him now. I'm sure we'll find a victim later."
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Old 05-01-2013, 21:34   #39
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I carry all kind of weird things with me too.
If the police find my bloody knife in my truck,should they then assume I stabbed someone?
Should they go and try to find a stabbing victim?

I really don't like all this assumed guilt.
Funny thing is, for a lot of the GNG crowd, it's a double standard. In cases where the person is a favorite of the GNG crowd, then LE acted too quickly/harshly. In cases of other complexions, LE failed...
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How does this information have anything to do with the shooting?

Maybe... your boy was a thug "with a past"...and proceeded/continued to act like a thug when he popped out of the wood-work surprising Zimmerman and was punching him...Not so "inocent" on the face book page....yup...good news if it pans for Zimmerman.

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Old 05-01-2013, 21:45   #41
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If the kid was white, no one would ever have heard of the story. The whole thing is a joke. The reason this kid got media attention is the same reason obama got elected twice. Idiots.
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OK, so the burglary was reported on 10/21/11, and his bag was also searched on 10/21/11. But still there's no proof that when his bag was searched and the jewlery found, that (1) he actually participated in the burglary, and (2) the burglary had already been reported.

You feel OK to arrest everyone who are in possession of stuff they can't shown proof of ownership?

"Arrest him now. I'm sure we'll find a victim later."
I never said arrest him without evidence that he did the crime. Problem is the school police took the evidence, put it on the shelf, and never allowed the Miami-Dade police robbery detail know of its existence, so he was never investigated for the crime. And they did these types of things in a pattern allegedly instigated by the Miami-Dade School Police Chief so the criminal record of black school students wouldn't look so bad, at least that is the allegation.
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Funny thing is, for a lot of the GNG crowd, it's a double standard. In cases where the person is a favorite of the GNG crowd, then LE acted too quickly/harshly. In cases of other complexions, LE failed...

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

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They didn't try to prove he stole it and it wasn't checked against burglaries in the area because they listed it as "found property" to improve their statistics - so no I don't get it.
How can there be a theft with no victim?!?
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How can there be a theft with no victim?!?
There was a victim. The victim had their jewelry stolen. The police investigating that burglary never were made aware that the school police had recovered what appeared to be stolen jewelry but simply put it on the shelf as "found items" so there was no way for the officers investigating the burglary to know of the existence of the found stolen property.
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There was a victim. The victim had their jewelry stolen. The police investigating that burglary never were made aware that the school police had recovered what appeared to be stolen jewelry but simply put it on the shelf as "found items" so there was no way for the officers investigating the burglary to know of the existence of the found stolen property.

OK. Did the original burglary report include descriptions of the jewelry etc.? Or was it like some residential burgs "I had a bunch of old jewelry stolen"?

Even then, it's Receiving stolen property here. Can't even charge him with a burglary unless he confesses..

Why would it even matter? Punt it off to the agency investigating the burg and be done with it.

It seems the problem worked itself out in regards to the school PD.

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Why would it even matter?
Well I guess instead of going around in circles I'll go back to my original point- if they HAD done the right thing and booked the jewelry as stolen property, maybe the burglary investigator could have tied Martin to the crime and maybe he would have ended up in juvenile detention instead of dead. Of course this is all supposition on my part, but if so, instead of giving Martin a break so their statistics would look better they may have allowed him to go free and end up shot dead.
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Well I guess instead of going around in circles I'll go back to my original point- if they HAD done the right thing and booked the jewelry as stolen property, maybe the burglary investigator could have tied Martin to the crime and maybe he would have ended up in juvenile detention instead of dead. Of course this is all supposition on my part, but if so, instead of giving Martin a break so their statistics would look better they may have allowed him to go free and end up shot dead.

You've conveniently ignored everything else I addressed.


So it is the police' fault he is dead?
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It would normally have been booked here as found property if it was even taken at all. That's right...in most cases that property would have left with him still tucked away on his backpack. I have to prove its stolen and he doesn't have to tell me where he got it. The burden is on me and I can't hold it as stolen property without tying it to a theft which would include a known victim. Considering possession of stolen property is also a crime I better also be making an arrest if I claim to have probable cause to support the property seizure. Booking it as found property is a step above what is normally done and not really and indicator of laziness as portrayed.

If I took jewelry from someone on a traffic stop because the owner could not prove where they got it I guarantee GT would not be so supportive. I would be called a thief, people would demand my badge and an arrest with the harshest punishment. This case is different simply because hind sight is always 20/20.

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Maybe... your boy was a thug "with a past"...and proceeded/continued to act like a thug when he popped out of the wood-work surprising Zimmerman and was punching him...Not so "inocent" on the face book page....yup...good news if it pans for Zimmerman.
The jury will never, ever be told about this incident. Its called "other bad act evidence," and that type of evidence is generally kept from the jury. Even if the victim had prior convictions for burglary (and not just potentially committing a burglary or possessing stolen property or burglary tools), the jury would never be told about those convictions. When the trial starts, the state's attorneys will question all of the potential jurors to make sure they remove or strike prospective jurors who have heard anything about this incident or anything else negative about the victim. The defense attorneys will do the same thing to prospective jurors who have heard anything negative about the defendant.
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