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Old 05-06-2013, 11:39   #76
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Level of your ignorance on the subject equal the level of american educational system multiplied by decades of propaganda.
You could easy find definition of socialism on internet, but I tell you the most important one - private property. Who owns it. In USSR private property ( The land, its minerals, waters, forests, mills, factories, mines, rail, water and air transport, banks, communications, large state-organized agricultural enterprises (state farms, machine and tractor stations, etc., and utilities and basic housing in cities and industrial localities) was state property, possession of whole people of USSR.
In nazi Germany all this was in private hands. Just like in England or USA. Still, somehow fashism and nazism was created in this situation, on the base of "free market". No surprise, ideology of "higher races" and "lower races" existed before Hitler in the most democratic capitalist countries.
The governments of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union both controlled the means of production. Hitler ordered factories to produce certain items (hopefully you have heard of the Volkswagon, for example). Stalin ordered factories to produce certain items. The distinction you pretend is so clear is actually not. Factories in both countries were dictated to by the governments, not free markets, and no large industrial entity would stand up to either dictator. So, genius, the clear difference you think you see is nonexistent. Nice try, though. Get back to your propagandistic history lessons.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:14   #77
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For an example of the close cooperation between the National Socialist Party leadership and German industry, try this:

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Under the decree introducing the leadership principle into industry, each group of industry was required to have a leader who was to serve without compensation. The leaders were to be appointed and could be removed at the discretion of the Minister of Economics. The charter of each group was to be created by the leader, who was obligated to lead his group in accordance with the principles of the National Socialist State (Reichsgesetzblatt, 1934, Part I, 1194, Sec. 11, 12, 16). The introduction of the leadership principle into the organizations of business centralized authority and guaranteed the efficient execution of orders, which the government issued to business, in the effort to promote a war economy.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:22   #78
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I remember the final exam, for that class I took on the war. We were to imagine ourselves advising the President on what to do. After the Gulf of Tonkin incident, I believe. My advice was to give South Vietnam a blank check for military hardware. Year after year. But to never ever send our troops there. I think it might have worked....
I would say that you are no different than Truman:

1. He didn't know the people, had no clue.
2. He was just trying "something" & hoped that it would work.

It failed. The reason for failure, in hind sight, may have nothing to do with Truman or any policy. But we find it's convenient to discuss this issue now, along the genre "the chicken came home to roost".

Is hind sight 20/20 ? Of course not. If it is, humanity would never make the same mistake.
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Old 05-06-2013, 13:15   #79
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Then, when the French tried to regain their colony,
Harry Truman sided with the French.
Why not. We helped the French pay for it.

What do you think Napoleon did with the money we gave him for the Louisiana Purchase? He invaded Indo-China to take the natural resources he needed to continue his fight against the British.

Sorry if someone else pointed this out.
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