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Old 05-03-2013, 13:29   #51
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...I'm a sucker for these kinds of deals.
My problem is being left-handed with most anything except firearms, combined with being somewhat of an oaf. Finding a used, left-handed bow, with a long draw length at anything approaching an attractive price, is something that just hasn't happened to me yet.
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A bow and arrows would be a good thing to have around if society goes to hell... especially if you need to keep quiet while trying to get food and you don't want to give away that you are there.

As for shooting wood arrows out of a compound; I've done lots of times with arrows i've made. I have a bundle of them spined for a 100 lb pull bow. I stopped shooting them long ago because of the potential problems doing so can cause. Even if the arrows are strong enough to shoot out of a compound, there is still the issue of the fact that wood arrows tend to be so light that shooting them out of a compound can have the same effect of dry firing the bow... not good... really stresses out a bow. I've actually had 2 different bows "blow up" on me. Blown limbs. Both laminate limbs... one a wood/fiberglass recurve, 60# (but 70# for me with my length of pull) Bear Kodiak Hunter. The other a Browning Accellerator compound with wood/graphite limbs. Both caused me minor injuries (that HURT!!!) Soooo... i replaced the wood/graphite limbs, which were supposed to be faster, with solid fiberglass limbs. This bow is pretty old now... bought new in the '80's... and i'm still hunting with it. Modified the cable guard with a new type roller cable guard that i made (don't try this at home) which now makes the bow about an 80# pull... 50% let off. At any rate... a bow is always a good thing to have around... but they aren't all that small. For a BOB it would be better to make sure you have the tools to make a bow and arrows... and fire... and DEET... and a water filter and water bladder.... and space blanket... SuperGlue... toilet paper... rain suit... hat... etc. You should already have a gun on you. If you have a threaded barrel it might make sense to keep a suppressor in your bag... it's much smaller and lighter than a bow. As for which gun to carry... i carry a 10mm Glock. I call it a "pocket carbine" because it shoots so flat... and it will drop just about anything with the right shot placement.
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Old 05-03-2013, 15:09   #53
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I've always wondered how powerful native American bows were? Or the English long bows or those recurves the Mongols had? I can't imagine them being more powerful than the average compound bow we have today. I killed a number of deer with 35# bows until someone told me it wasn't enough to kill deer.

Point is how strong a bow does one need? I suppose a high powered bow will kill at longer ranges if you can hit the target. Hitting vitals past 30 yards is not easy.
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I've always wondered how powerful native American bows were? Or the English long bows or those recurves the Mongols had? I can't imagine them being more powerful than the average compound bow we have today. I killed a number of deer with 35# bows until someone told me it wasn't enough to kill deer.

Point is how strong a bow does one need? I suppose a high powered bow will kill at longer ranges if you can hit the target. Hitting vitals past 30 yards is not easy.
How strong does a bow need to be? I think you know the answer to that one! How strong should it be for hunting? It should be as strong as a person can handle. Very few bows are over 70#. I've heard/read that some of the English Long Bows were 110#. I'd like to have one of those... i wonder if i could even pull it back. At any rate, for me, the faster i can get a heavy arrow to go, the flatter it is going to shoot and the harder it's going to hit, and the easier it is going to be able to hit with at longer distances.
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Old 05-03-2013, 19:31   #55
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I think for now I'll spend some time trolling garage sales and thrift shops to see if I can get something older that is cheap.

I have higher priorities and I'm on a limited budget :\
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Old 05-03-2013, 22:13   #56
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My problem is being left-handed with most anything except firearms, combined with being somewhat of an oaf. Finding a used, left-handed bow, with a long draw length at anything approaching an attractive price, is something that just hasn't happened to me yet.
Which eye is dominant?

Do you normally shoot rifles left-handed? If so, how well do you shoot right-handed?

I know some left-handed people who shoot rifles and bows right-handed (very well). I also know that while left-handed rifles and bows are not easy to find in stock at every store, they can be ordered new. Also, the archery shop owner/expert might know where a used one is.

It's worth a try shooting right-handed before buying.
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Yeah, learn to shoot right handed.
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Which eye is dominant?
Mix, or maybe better-put as 'ambivalent'. Doing the basic finger-pointing dominance test, using my left hand I come out left-eye dominant, and using my right hand I come out right-eye dominant.

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Do you normally shoot rifles left-handed? If so, how well do you shoot right-handed?
No. Done it, but only had any real success doing it at shorter-range transitioning-drill distances.

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I know some left-handed people who shoot rifles and bows right-handed (very well). I also know that while left-handed rifles and bows are not easy to find in stock at every store, they can be ordered new. Also, the archery shop owner/expert might know where a used one is.

It's worth a try shooting right-handed before buying.
Definitely agree on the 'trying before buying'. I just haven't found a used one that fits me (and I've looked off & on, half-heartedly, for years), and I'm just too cheap to buy a new bow - especially without trying it first - when I could instead buy a crossbow for less money. Crossbows are legal for hunting here, which may actually be part of the reason that there's so few left-handed bows around; it's just simpler & easier for a lefty here to get a crossbow and be done with it.


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Yeah, learn to shoot right handed.
Honestly have considered it. But even doing that & going thru that hassle & transition, there'd still be the 'other' hassles inherent in bow shopping. If I really wanted a standard bow, that'd actually be the route to take; it's just not that important to me, since I can use a crossbow (borrowed from a family member) or a suppressed firearm, which is also legal for hunting here. Gotta love arkansas...
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or a suppressed firearm, which is also legal for hunting here. Gotta love arkansas...
Next you're going to tell us you can fish with dynamite, not quite as stealthy but super effective!
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I love crossbows, if for no other reason, they are just plain cool... BUT, i have just never found even one that was light enough to be carrying around in the woods, and compared to a regular bow, (long, recurve, or compound), crossbows are just plain awkward. They are fine for a blind or treestand, etc., but i just can't wrap my head around carrying one on a short hunt much less a long one.

As for that lefty stuff... it really doesn't matter if you are left eye dominant (like me) or left handed... it is really MUCH better to just plain struggle through it and learn to shoot right handed, right eyed, with both eyes open for ranging, etc. And with firearms it is flat out safer. If a chamber ever blows shooting a right handed rifle left handed (like i used to do) everything is going to come flying back right into your face. Shooting right handed you have at least a little protection if there is that chance accident... and they DO happen. Check around here and you'll find more than a few people it's happened to. The biggest plus to learning to shoot right is (like that pun?) the money you will save and the skipping of the hassle of trying to be a leftist. (Sorry, couldn't resist!) It will be a bit of a struggle at first to "reprogram" your brain/body, but before long you will feel totally natural shooting right.
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Bows are great for many reasons.

Not least is that they're damn near silent and you can recover your ammo.....
I don't know about where you live, but around here if you shoot an arrow at ground level you're probably not going to find that arrow. It will go under the grass or leaves.

Also, quite often the arrows are broken simply by hitting a tree or stick, or when shooting deer, if you don't get a pass through the arrow will be broken when/if you find it.

Arrows are normally at least 28". A dozen of them will take up the space of a shotgun. That's not including the bow itself.
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Whether or not you break or loose arrows really boils down to how much self control you have over whether to shoot or not shoot and how good your aim is. When i was young and first into archery i used to lose and break arrows all the time. Now... almost never. I also learned to shoot super strong arrows instead of going for all out speed with thin light ones. Instead i crank up the poundage of my bow for max power and the flattest possible shooting with heavy arrows. If there is any kind of branch in front of me when i am about to shoot i either move to miss it or i don't shoot at all. ANY kind of deflection is just plain not fair at all to any animal you are about take a shot at. Lost out on a shot at a nice succulent elk one time because of that because i wouldn't take a chance on wounding the elk... and i might not have hit the branch. If i get a pass through and trash an arrow on a rock... it's worth it... i'll take that sacrifice. I've sat up many a night in camp resharpening my spear guns spear tip after shooting through many a big fish that just wouldn't move away from a rock... but i was HUNGRY, i can only hold my breath for so long, and a fish big enough to feed several hungry camping teenagers with no money isn't always easy to find... much less shoot and get. As for losing arrows in the grass or bushes, there are a few tricks to finding them. You "grid out" an area, then go at it systematically. You will almost ALWAYS find your arrow. What condition you find it in is another story. Back to "don't shoot unless you know you are going to hit what you are aiming at." But, all things considered... if you are planning on feeding yourself over a few years time with a bow and arrow instead of guns, etc., you BETTER have a FAT stash of arrow making components and parts for your bow. You should also know how to make a new bow and arrows from scratch. And you should also know how to make snares, catch fish, find wild growing food and which has the vitamin C... A guy can starve pretty quick thinking he's going to feed himself easily with a bow... or even a rifle for that matter. Read the Lewis and Clark expedition journals.... you'll see how even they starved their asses off several times... and what food turned out to be the best.
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Read the Lewis and Clark expedition journals.... you'll see how even they starved their asses off several times... and what food turned out to be the best.
And they probably WOULD have starved to death somewhere long the way, possibly wintering in/around Oregon, if not for the Natives.
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Interesting bringing up Lewis and Clark. I managed to find a list of all the meat they killed and ate. There was one notation that they killed a rabbit by shooting a piece of hardwood out of a gun when they ran out of lead to make balls. The equipment list of what they took did not include bows or arrows.

There was quote in one of the journals that said something like "nearly starved to death in the land of plenty for lack of a musket ball".

Deer (all species combined) 1,001
Elk 375
Bison 227
Antelope 62
Bighorned sheep 35
Bears, grizzly 43
Bears, black 23
Beaver (shot or trapped) 113
Otter 16
Geese and Brant 104
Grouse (all species) 46
Turkeys 9
Plovers 48
Wolves (only one eaten) 18
Indian dogs (purchased and consumed) 190
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thanks mac66

Thanks Mac66. I saved the list of animals eaten. Perhaps it should be posted again when some survivalists assert that when shtf, they will live off the land. Given the lack of animals on that list today, I dare say that it will start with eating the neighbor's dogs and working ones way down to the rats and mice.
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Interesting bringing up Lewis and Clark. I managed to find a list of all the meat they killed and ate. There was one notation that they killed a rabbit by shooting a piece of hardwood out of a gun when they ran out of lead to make balls. The equipment list of what they took did not include bows or arrows.

There was quote in one of the journals that said something like "nearly starved to death in the land of plenty for lack of a musket ball".
Interesting. Do you have a link to that quote? Because I have read Stephen Ambrose's book Undaunted Courage, chronicling the Lewis/Clark expedition, and, I quote:

"By September 18 [1806], the party was within 150 miles of the settlements. It had run entirely out of provisions and trade goods. Other than the cooking kettles, the scientific instruments, and some tools, it had no manufactured goods--except rifles. It had plenty of those, and powder and lead, and there was game in the neighborhood, but the almost daily passage of traders' boats and caused the deer and bear to move back from the river, this slowed the party down considerably."

The above quote is from mere days before the expedition returned.

I don't know what quote you could be referring to. Perhaps at some point when the party split, somebody failed to take enough lead/musket balls with them for that short duration?
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And they probably WOULD have starved to death somewhere long the way, possibly wintering in/around Oregon, if not for the Natives.
So true! God BLESS the Natives!
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Thanks Mac66. I saved the list of animals eaten. Perhaps it should be posted again when some survivalists assert that when shtf, they will live off the land. Given the lack of animals on that list today, I dare say that it will start with eating the neighbor's dogs and working ones way down to the rats and mice.
"Neighbors dogs" hell! They bought and ate their own! Mmmmm.... yummy!
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I go back to the original question.

You might consider the concept of a slingshot bow and take down arrows.

http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/

It is a true take-down concept.

Becoming set up is substantially less expensive than obtaining a proper takedown bow and arrows.

No one is disputing that a silenced firearm, yatta yatta, may be more efficient in most instances. Then again, using traps and snares rank higher in gathering meat because they work 24/7 while you can sit back and enjoy life after shtf.

Having taken primitive arts classes, I can inform you that MAKING your own sling, slingshot, atlatal, bow, arrows, gunpowder, excrima stick, walking stick, quarterstaff or bolas in the field after shtf isn't as thoughtful as buying commercial units before shtf. Shtf is a pass/fail situation.

If you aren't going to gain bow shooting skills before shtf, then pass on it. Ditto to other non firearm options and skills.

There is a myth that the Indians had an easy time living off the land. Untrue. The survivors had many years of practice.
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Interesting. Do you have a link to that quote? Because I have read Stephen Ambrose's book Undaunted Courage, chronicling the Lewis/Clark expedition, and, I quote:

"By September 18 [1806], the party was within 150 miles of the settlements. It had run entirely out of provisions and trade goods. Other than the cooking kettles, the scientific instruments, and some tools, it had no manufactured goods--except rifles. It had plenty of those, and powder and lead, and there was game in the neighborhood, but the almost daily passage of traders' boats and caused the deer and bear to move back from the river, this slowed the party down considerably."

The above quote is from mere days before the expedition returned.

I don't know what quote you could be referring to. Perhaps at some point when the party split, somebody failed to take enough lead/musket balls with them for that short duration?
September 11, 1804 "he had been 12 days without any thing to eate but Grapes & one rabit, which he killed by shooting a piece of hard Stick in place of a ball…Thus a man had like to have Starved to death in a land of Plenty for the want of Bulits or Something to kill his meat." Clark

The Natural History of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, Michigan State Press 1995

I don't know who or in what context he was referring. I didn't read the journals just excerpts.

I also didn't mention that beside the list I posted, they also ate just about everything that walked, swam or crawled to keep themselves fed.
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Interesting. Do you have a link to that quote? Because I have read Stephen Ambrose's book Undaunted Courage, chronicling the Lewis/Clark expedition, and, I quote:

"By September 18 [1806], the party was within 150 miles of the settlements. It had run entirely out of provisions and trade goods. Other than the cooking kettles, the scientific instruments, and some tools, it had no manufactured goods--except rifles. It had plenty of those, and powder and lead, and there was game in the neighborhood, but the almost daily passage of traders' boats and caused the deer and bear to move back from the river, this slowed the party down considerably."

The above quote is from mere days before the expedition returned.

I don't know what quote you could be referring to. Perhaps at some point when the party split, somebody failed to take enough lead/musket balls with them for that short duration?

Found it for you. :-)

http://lewisandclarktrail.com/hunting.htm
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Well, that explains it.

"On several occasions Private Shannon was sent out into the wilderness and found himself lost. The first time this happened was on August 27th, 1804 near Yankton, South Dakota. While searching for lost horses, Private Shannon became as lost as the horses and did not find his way back to the company until September 11th. During his time on the prairie Private Shannon lived for 12 days on a few wild grapes and a rabbit. It was later discovered that he was traveling ahead of the Corps and after despairing because he could not catch up with them he returned down river towards Saint Louis and eventually found the party."



One guy went off to look for horses and got himself lost for 12 days, apparently without proper supplies (ammo) in case such a thing happened.
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Another set of observations

I took a class in "primitive" arts taught by a guy who wrote a very good book. So there we are - people making rabbit sticks; bows; arrows.

As we do this, I am reflecting on the usage. It became obvious that just making a rabbit stick was insufficient. A typical Indian lad carried one and practiced probably daily for years. He also probably carried the same one so long as possible. You have to adjust to the rabbit stick. Each one performs slightly differently - and perhaps that difference will be a miss.

So, the instructor makes a bow and arrow. He goes to shoot it and I stop him. I comment that an Indian would not hold the bow vertically. He would hold it horizontally in front of him. In this way, if it broke, the injuries would not be to the head or eyes. And, you could expect a homemade bow in the wild eventually to break. You also had more strength on the draw and could wait to the last moment. If you held a bow vertically and with an arrow at full expansion, you would not be able to hold it very long. You could also rotate easier with a bow held horizontally. And, the Indian would lie in wait on a known deer path and wouldn't shoot over 30 yards, as Mac66 commented.

I have the utmost respect for bow hunters. They have a better knowledge of animal tracking, animal habits, and hunting techniques than the sportsman who subscribes to a gun magazine and buys the latest whiz bang firearm and who would never contemplate realistic training, much less paying for training. I first saw old guys bow hunting about 50 years ago and a chill went down my spine when I contemplated having to go up against them.
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By very definition anything that goes in a BOB takes away from something else going in. There is a space/weight limit, and anything that takes up measurable space/weight counts towards that limit. Or simply adds to it and further burdens you.

He need not specify that the laws of physics still stand in order for them to do so.
Add in the weight of the ammunition.Recoverable arrows vs hundreds of pounds for the same lead ammo.
Also, arrows can, with difficulty, be manufactured from scratch in the field. Try that when you've shot your last .223 or .308.
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Add in the weight of the ammunition.Recoverable arrows vs hundreds of pounds for the same lead ammo.
Also, arrows can, with difficulty, be manufactured from scratch in the field. Try that when you've shot your last .223 or .308.
Hundreds of pounds in ammo?

For a BOB?

What?
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